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Overkill0084 06-25-2013 04:02 PM

Man Shoots, Kills Drunk Intruder Who Broke Into His Home and Attacked His Son
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/24/man-shoots-kills-drunk-intruder-who-broke-into-his-home-and-attacked-his-son-so-why-are-police-investigating-case-as-a-homicide/?corder#comments

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Police are investigating a potential homicide in Ontario, Calif., after a resident shot and killed a drunk intruder who broke into his apartment and attacked his sleeping son.
In California, citizens have a right to protect themselves and their families, however, there are stipulations in the state.
Police said an Ontario resident shot and killed an intruder who broke into his apartment in the middle of the night and attacked his sleeping son on Monday, June 24, 2013. (NBC Los Angeles)
“The homeowner, the citizen, has to be able to articulate or apply the appropriate amount of force that was done against them,” Ontario Police Sgt. David McBride told NBC Los Angeles, later adding that Manzano was unarmed at the time of the shooting.
Thomas Gilbert Manzano, 24, forced his way into the California residence at around 3 a.m. on Monday, according to police. Manzano had been drinking alcohol for several hours with a friend when they decided to break into an apartment they thought was vacant. They had reportedly been squatting in one of the apartments but got confused as to its location.
Manzano was first turned away from the apartment, but he allegedly threatened the resident and forced his way into the home through a bedroom window and then went after the resident’s adult son. Police say the suspect threatened the son and a physical altercation ensued.
Responding to the commotion coming from his son’s room, the father retrieved his firearm and rushed to protect his son. He then shot several rounds at the suspect.
Manzano was transported to a local hospital with serious injuries. He was later pronounced dead.
The case is now being investigated as a homicide and the district attorney will determined whether the shooting was justified, according to officials.


The resident and his son were cooperating with police.


Manzano’s uncle, “Alfonso,” told NBC Los Angeles that the shooting was not justified.
“Just because you have a gun and its registered, doesn’t give you the right to kill somebody,” he said. (actually... in this particular instance...:rolleyes:)

IMHO, it's time for the Resident & son to stop cooperating. and issue all future statements through a lawyer.

The perp's uncle would have been better not speaking at all. Better to be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

SSGN_Doc 06-25-2013 04:13 PM

Sucks to be victimized twice or possibly even three times By the assailant, then by the state, with the possibility of a suit from the assailants family. F California.

PanBaccha 06-25-2013 04:13 PM

Burglary on the rise, home invasion in full force, and rapes always a threat. Hence, the need for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in spite of what 'strangers' in government says to the contrary. Self-preservation is the LAW. Not some Mickey-Mouse consensus.

locutus 06-25-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SSGN_Doc (Post 1286409)
Sucks to be victimized twice or possibly even three times By the assailant, then by the state, with the possibility of a suit from the assailants family. F California.

In the USA, home owner would not have a problem.

In Kalifornia........................................ ...:mad::mad:

Rocky7 06-25-2013 05:13 PM

I'm wondering whether, in a situation where a police officer in CA shoots someone who attacking another police officer, is that also treated as a homicide?

If not, why not?

Tackleberry1 06-25-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Overkill0084 (Post 1286403)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/24/man-shoots-kills-drunk-intruder-who-broke-into-his-home-and-attacked-his-son-so-why-are-police-investigating-case-as-a-homicide/?corder#comments


IMHO, it's time for the Resident & son to stop cooperating. and issue all future statements through a lawyer.

The perp's uncle would have been better not speaking at all. Better to be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

Yep...

Yet another perfect example of why you do NOT speak with the police.

Here is another case where the homeowner believed he was perfectly justified yet is going to get put through the ringer by a DA who disagrees with armed self defense and is willing to use any legality... and the full financial resources of the State... to victimize this family for daring to defend itself. :mad:

NO COOPERATION... NO COMPROMISE... PERIOD.

If you "give them nothing" to use against you, they will have very little "to use against you"... Not rocket science folks. ;)

Tack

Tackleberry1 06-25-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky7 (Post 1286476)
I'm wondering whether, in a situation where a police officer in CA shoots someone who attacking another police officer, is that also treated as a homicide?

If not, why not?

Now your just being silly.... Cops are "approved" by the "State"... therefore their lives are worth more than yours and mine put together.

Tack

alsaqr 06-25-2013 05:52 PM

Another link:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Ontario-resident-shoots-kills-intruder-212817131.html

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! He killed my son. Why didn't he shoot him in the leg"?

JimRau 06-25-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tackleberry1 (Post 1286482)
Now your just being silly.... Cops are "approved" by the "State"... therefore their lives are worth more than yours and mine put together.

Tack

Any killing of a human is a homicide, some are justified, some are not!;)

armoredman 06-25-2013 06:34 PM

With only the details as provided, he would have been justified three times over in AZ under Title 13-405, Attempted Murder or Attempted Manslaughter, Burglary in the Second Degree and Aggravated Assault. The homeowner might not even be arrested, and the crying "momma" in alsaqr's post? Under AZ State Constitution, if the homeowner is found justified, she...can't...sue...neener.
In California he will be hung in the court of public opinion, branded a homophobic racist, convicted of every capital crime they have on the books, sentenced to death, and his property given to the family of the deceased as compensation, plus they will nail his son as an accomplice to the crime, hitting him with fines/restitution that will effectively make him "momma's" indentured servant for life. Then California will change the laws to make armed self defense illegal, and double the penalties if the "victim" is an illegal invader.


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