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Old 12-28-2012, 10:40 AM   #71
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The UK is much like the USA in the fact that regionally, things aint the same from one district to the next! NY city sure isnt the same as Madison County Upstate NY! I would bet my last dollar that 8 out of 10 households in my School District have legal guns from full auto's to single shot belt Derringers and everything in between! In NY City or Even Albany, 1 to 10 legal weapons would be a high end figure. Were les than 1.5 hours from Albany and in the same state, or are we?

Only the same Legal State, our realities differ like NY Weather. In my neck of the woods, you will bleed out before a cop and or volunteer fireman arrives, just need body bags and toe tags at that point. Ireland is not all that much different than Upstate NY when compared to our Mother Ships.

Even those most revered in London and Washington realize that they cannot strip those of us that are empowered to live of our means to do so when they cannot actually deliver safety for us in anything other than another law. Last time I shot a BB Gun, it penetrated a piece of paper as thin as a law just fine!
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:55 AM   #73
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Don't get that.
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I would rather you didn't talk about shooting people. I am not into conspiracie theories etc. But i have no doubt that authorities in the UK and America monitor these forums. And i don't really want to be associated with talk about shooting government officers.
IF a government officer is violating my constitutionally-recognized rights to the extent you illustrated with your post about an illegal (in the US) police intrusion/inspection, then i would be WELL WITHIN my rights to defend my home, and i would. As for monitoring, i have not made any specific threats to instigate violence against a government office or officer under our current regulations or in our current situation, only stated my intent "in the event of" a theoretical situation comprised of a governmental violation of my constitutionally-guaranteed civil rights and the civil rights of others. This remains legal and outside the definition of "conspiracy to commit" to my current knowledge.

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You might put me straight on this one but I have never recalled a situation where there were big shoot outs in California when gun restrictions came into force or elsewhere for that matter. Too many key board warriors posting here. You start shooting you end up dead. What good is your 2a rights then? The point is these things happen very gradually, bit by bit, the proposals go out there to get you ready for it to avoid confrontation. Before you realize it's already happened.
Mississippi isn't Commiefornia. If you don't stand up for them, then your rights aren't and weren't much good to you, IMO. What would our founding fathers have to say about that?

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Isn't that like terrorism?.

The government would just completely disarm everyone else in response, we make up a minority as gun owners, most people here would happilly see all of us banned from owning anything more than airsoft guns. No thanks.

Yes these forums are monitored, looking for stuff like that is actually someones job.
I would say that an unconstitutional suspension of or infringement upon my rights would be more like terrorism than would a citizen acting to defend their constitutionally RECOGNIZED rights. If bobthefed doesn't like what i have to say, i would assume he already knows where to find me, and he is welcome to.

Was it "terrorism" when people resisted Hitler or his incarceration of various ethnic groups?

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A lot are going on about the strict firearms laws in the UK. Without looking at some of the strict laws in some states in America.
SOME STATES being the operative term there. Mississippi is a state that is relatively true to the Second Amendment. We are precluded from "open carry" but allowed licensed concealed carry or unlicensed carry in our vehicles, homes/property, or businesses we own. The gunsafe i have was a gift from family to protect my firearms from theft, not from the government overstepping its bounds. I haven't been to a range in many years; i do my target shooting on the private property of friends and family and do so as safely as reasonably able to. Illinois, California, Connecticut, and New York (among some others) do have some laws that i feel are too strict, but i don't think they are worse than what i have been told of the laws in G.B. as a whole.


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Two of my pistols.
Didn't you say before that you were a law enforcement officer or military officer or something of the sort? Does that have any impact on your ability to own these firearms? It is my understanding that some firearms are easier to obtain or be licensed for as a LEO in the United States, though i have not researched that personally.


So long as the U.S. government stays within the bounds of the Constitution it was empowered by, i chafe very little at my limitations. It is when and if the government superseeds its Constitutional limitations and becomes a violator of rather than an enforcer of OUR LAWS, that the two of us would come into conflict. I spent a decade or so working as a tax enforcement/audit agent of the government of my state. I understand the "rule of law" and respect it to the same extent those governing me do.

If anyone is uncomfortable taking part in a discussion on an open forum, they should avoid that discussion by not posting or by deleting their posts. If anyone thinks i have made a statement that violates a law in my jurisdiction, please feel free to notify me so that i can retract or edit that statement, but be prepared to backup your assertion with a citation of relevant law or regulations. Otherwise, i will post as i deem fit and legal so long as, and to the extent i am allowed by the management of this forum.
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:46 PM   #75
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Didn't you say before that you were a law enforcement officer or something of the sort? Does that have any impact on your ability to own these firearms
No i am not in law enforcement. Police here are armed and have their service firearm on and of duty. In the rest of the UK armed officers leave their firearm at the police station when of duty.
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No i am not in law enforcement. Police here are armed and have their service firearm on and of duty. In the rest of the UK armed officers leave their firearm at the police station when of duty.
My apologies, i must have confused you with another member from the UK; i believe the guy was from the northern part of Ireland.
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My apologies, i must have confused you with another member from the UK; i believe the guy was from the northern part of Ireland.
No problem. I am from N Ireland.
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Yes they didn't actually ban hand-guns they brought in a minimum length. The long barrel pistols are a way of getting around the legalisation. Is it still a handgun people can judge.
Honestly, a pistol as long as the one pictured in this post would probably be fun for hunting in heavy brush areas like the swamps of MS (so long as it was optional).
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Honestly, a pistol as long as the one pictured in this post would probably be fun for hunting in heavy brush areas like the swamps of MS (so long as it was optional
The lew dident say handguns are banned but had that effect see bellow.


legislation was introduced to prohibit, with some extremely specialised exemptions, "Small firearms" ie those with a barrel length of less than 30 cm or an overall length of less than 60 cm.


Yes the only problem is that hunting with handguns is illegal in the most of Europe. Its
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Can we put those arm things on handguns here in the US or is it considered an sbr?
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