[locutus]

We had an alternative Nov.6 and we blew it.

[1911love]

I'm pretty sure if you are adjudicated mentally unfit it will get you denied on a nics check.

[orangello]

Call me a hater, but the federal government can't even balance its budget; i don't think those people need any more duties/responsibilities until they have reached SOME REASONABLE LEVEL of competence in their current duties. IOW, i don't trust the feds to not screw this up into a system that is of use only to those who wish to abuse it (not to even mention what it would cost the taxpayers for them to eff it up).

This is something that family should take care of whenever possible. Got a young adult dependent with mental issues and violent tendencies? Keep that youngster AWAY from firearms; alert the local police; perhaps participate in a VOLUNTARY registration process through the STATE court system to make a searchable record of the situation. In the event there is no family to care for/monitor the questionably sane person, THEN see that they meet with a state-appointed guardian who will explain that they aren't sane enough for firearms and have been precluded from using/owning/purchasing firearms until such time as they can demonstrate their fitness.

Now obviously, any VOLUNTARY registration system for mentally-handicapped persons might be forgone by parents not wanting to stigmatize their child. One way to avoid that would be to make a mentally-handicapped person's guardian/parent statutorily responsible for that person's actions involving a firearm. For example, lil johnny bentabit shoots himself with his father's unsecured (on kitchen counter) pistol; courts charge his father with child neglect or negligent homicide. Another example, lil janie benttoomuch uses her mother's unsecured shotgun to attack a school and later to kill herself; her mother should face charges for both events.



Personally, i am not a fan of restrictions on the 2A, but i am a fan of restricting mentally-handicapped people from hurting themselves and/or others.

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by orangello

Call me a hater, but the federal government can't even balance its budget; i don't think those people need any more duties/responsibilities until they have reached SOME REASONABLE LEVEL of competence in their current duties. IOW, i don't trust the feds to not screw this up into a system that is of use only to those who wish to abuse it (not to even mention what it would cost the taxpayers for them to eff it up).

This is something that family should take care of whenever possible. Got a young adult dependent with mental issues and violent tendencies? Keep that youngster AWAY from firearms; alert the local police; perhaps participate in a VOLUNTARY registration process through the STATE court system to make a searchable record of the situation. In the event there is no family to care for/monitor the questionably sane person, THEN see that they meet with a state-appointed guardian who will explain that they aren't sane enough for firearms and have been precluded from using/owning/purchasing firearms until such time as they can demonstrate their fitness.

Now obviously, any VOLUNTARY registration system for mentally-handicapped persons might be forgone by parents not wanting to stigmatize their child. One way to avoid that would be to make a mentally-handicapped person's guardian/parent statutorily responsible for that person's actions involving a firearm. For example, lil johnny bentabit shoots himself with his father's unsecured (on kitchen counter) pistol; courts charge his father with child neglect or negligent homicide. Another example, lil janie benttoomuch uses her mother's unsecured shotgun to attack a school and later to kill herself; her mother should face charges for both events.



Personally, i am not a fan of restrictions on the 2A, but i am a fan of restricting mentally-handicapped people from hurting themselves and/or others.

OK, this sounds a bit more along the line that I was hoping for.

[nitestalker]

Most of the transfers that are held up is due to minor problems. I notice most of these are due to unpaid parking tickets. What makes someone a danger who has not paid an Urban rip off?
Once power is given to these people they will abuse it. What makes anyone think giving Nancy more power will stop gun control. If I give the coyotes more sheep? Will the coyotes stop killing sheep and eat grass?

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by nitestalker

Most of the transfers that are held up is due to minor problems. I notice most of these are due to unpaid parking tickets. What makes someone a danger who has not paid an Urban rip off?
Once power is given to these people they will abuse it. What makes anyone think giving Nancy more power will stop gun control. If I give the coyotes more sheep? Will the coyotes stop killing sheep and eat grass?

Compared to what they are attempting? I would take getting held up in a background check over being held up for my guns.

[nitestalker]

Viking Dad what kind of gun control should we ask for?

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by nitestalker

Viking Dad what kind of gun control should we ask for?

I would prefer none at all. I am a firm believer in the theory that it is a problem with the people, not the guns. however I am also a realist and I know if we just sit down and say we will not tolerate any more gun control then the Pelosis out there will go full steam ahead right over top of us. It is better to have an alternative to what they are proposing when objecting to their proposals.

What I would ask for is a solution to the real issue at hand which is criminal use of firearms in crimes. this does not and historically has not mean the that more restrictions are the answer, but that is what they are proposing.

I would not object to Adam Lansa's mother being held accountable, but she is dead so that's not gonna work. I have not heard any of the specifics about the gun that was used in Oregon other than it was stolen from a friend. Should that friend be held accountable? I haven't got a clue. But I think it should be looked at. From what I do know that guy in Oregon was not obviously insane at least not until he shot up that mall. How could we as a nation be more proactive in finding these people out and getting them treatment before they go shoot up a shopping mall. problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to make that determination in all cases (many of the ones that have occurred had ample warnings). There will be some nut cases that slip though. Fact is though that these whackos will do their mayhem with whatever tools they can if firearms are not available.

[rjd3282]

Vikingdad there are lots of people responsible. His mother, him of course, the idiot politicians who denied the people in that school the right to defend themselves, anybody who voted for said politicians. Am I missing anyone?

[1911love]

You forgot the MSM Rjd.