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Vikingdad 01-03-2013 06:57 AM

Let's Close The Loophole!
 
I'm talking about the mental health loophole which allows people who have been deemed to be of insufficient mental ability to be able to purchase/possess firearms. I am not sure where to locate the facts/links, but as I understand it when a purchaser undergoes the background check the check does not have full access to mental health records nationwide.

What say you all?

dog2000tj 01-03-2013 07:17 AM

in my teens I was labeled a danger to myself and others by a psychiatrist. He stated to my parents that he felt I was an immediate danger and should be committed. If it weren't for my father he may have succeeded.

To date I have never assaulted anyone and have not killed myself :cool:


All these so-called crazy mass killers have 1 thing in common ... they all exhibited signs that were either ignored or played down. Why don't folks start enforcing the laws that are already on the books that are there to deal with these issues and stop trying to reinvent the wheel with new laws every time one of these nuts goes off :cool:

CrazedJava 01-03-2013 03:11 PM

There really is no reliable check on mental health. As it was stated, there are usually signs but people ignore them thanks to political correctness and our naturally non-confrontational nature.

Mosin 01-03-2013 03:28 PM

I deplore the idea. Once you open THAT can if worms, who knows where it will lead...

Depressed because your husband died and you needed something to sleep? Banned.

PTSD because you fought for your nation and sought treatment? Banned.

This will only serve to keep people from seeking mental health care, out of fear that it will erode their liberties.

vincent 01-03-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazedJava (Post 1077829)
There really is no reliable check on mental health. As it was stated, there are usually signs but people ignore them thanks to political correctness and our naturally non-confrontational nature.

Agreed, people can't even develop a universal IQ test so testing for mental health is junk science. No one can predict the operation of someone elses mind. Besides, how many people have 'cheated' on a test?

I think trying to incorporate psychological testing into the BC system is going to be a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? If a guy goes to a therapist for marital advice, what's to stop him from getting lumped in with the people who are truly mentally disturbed?

Why would we want to give a doctor the power to decide whether or not someone is capable of owning a firearm by the simple stroke of a pen?

As it is, to be disqualified you have to be adjudicated by a court which is fair...I guess...but giving a single person (Dr.) the power to decide one's mental health status can and will be disasterous...

Medical records are kept private for very good reasons, to try to make them accessible is a huge violation of civil rights...(never thought I'd actually agree with the ACLU...:o)

While I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that someone who need prozac or tapizol just to function, probably isn't stable enough to be a level headed, responsible gun owner, but rights cannot be denied just because someone 'might' do something evil with them.

Humans have free will, not even God himself can stop that nevermind new laws...

Mosin 01-03-2013 03:36 PM

How many crazy people are there really? Waiting to snap?
I see more CCW and an end to gun free zones (puke) clearing up the whole mental health issue in a few years...

charlesmar 01-03-2013 04:10 PM

Hmmm.


I am the most docile person you could ever know. Strong to the core, but never hit anyone, ever,

That said, I went without help for depression for many many years, because I did not want it on record that I had any issue at all.

I take antidepressants, and I am not alone.

That said, I could see them playing this card to strip folks of rights. Especially since a huge percentage of the populous takes anti deps.

nitestalker 01-03-2013 04:25 PM

The world Socialist and Communist movement has and does use the mental health threat as a weapon. In Russia an enemy can be locked up for ever without a trial.
The Left Wing will embrace this mental check in the new Obama and Biden gun ban. This will be followed by a Federal mandated mental test for every gun owner.

Yunus 01-03-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikingdad (Post 1077612)
I'm talking about the mental health loophole which allows people who have been deemed to be of insufficient mental ability to be able to purchase/possess firearms. I am not sure where to locate the facts/links, but as I understand it when a purchaser undergoes the background check the check does not have full access to mental health records nationwide.

What say you all?

To close that "loophole" would also mean banning private sales without background checks. It would require going to an FFL or police agency to perform the check. I don't see much support for that on this board.

Vikingdad 01-03-2013 06:27 PM

Well. That went over like a lead balloon.

My idea was to ID people adjudicated mentally incompetent. Of course that could be abused, but any restrictions have that danger. As it is a person can have a restraining order against them and have no say in it if they are not made aware of it. Or an abuse charge could be filed against them when nothing has happened. My thought was not a medical diagnosis alone but for a combination of medical and legal adjudication. Much in the same way as a convicted felon is prohibited but with the ability for a person to have the judgement reversed when their treatment has been successful.

I figure that if we as gun owners don't have a viable alternative to offer in place of what Feinstein is proposing we have little chance of success.


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