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Old 01-01-2014, 11:18 PM   #21
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well Texas you walk in, pick one out do a short BC, pay your money and walk out. sounds pretty simple to me. if you have CC permit, you don't even do a BC. pay and go. the only way it would be faster is if they put a drive-thru on the gun stores.
Same here in Kentucky. If you have a CC permit no background check necessary.
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In Wyoming no CCW permit is needed to carry concealed or open if you are a resident. You may get a CCW permit for travel or to avoid BGCs. Machine guns are legal, silencers legal for use and hunting. No magazine restrictions. Not required to notify LEO during traffic stop, they may not ask.
We are one of the four states that have "Constitutional" gun ownership protection. Citizens are trusted by the state as it should be.

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Vincent read your posted NC firearms stats. Article 17.2a is very clear. The county Sheriff in NC has total control over purchase permits. You must have a permit to purchase a handgun issued by the Sheriff.
I could not find where a resident was exempted by having a CCW. It certainly appears from your post that you must have a Sheriffs approval to purchase a handgun.

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Theres quite a divide between Upstate NY and NYC/Long Island. Counties are refusing to enforce the Safe act upstate.

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Unfortunately, LE refusing to enforce the Safe Gun Act doesn't relieve the law abiding citizen from guilt. They may get by for a while but if some LE has a bad day and decides to change his attitude there are now a bunch of criminals out there.

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the SAFE act in NY is the epitome of what is wrong with this country. A bunch of people concentrate in the cesspool that is NYC, then, make laws for people living in a completely different environment. Upstate NY is simply a beautiful area, no ifs ands or buts. I think that crime in places like Lake Placid amounts to a stolen pack of gum ?

I live in a very liberal state (Minnesota) that has a very rich hunting tradition and some of the best scenery and hunting you will find anywhere. Currently there are no firearms restrictions per say (you can still own a machine gun here) BUT you need a special permit to purchase a handgun or semi automatic or a conceal carry permit works as well. I fear it is only a matter of time before the trust-fund babies and liberal do-gooders start going the way of the NYC idiots, and decide to tell people living in parts of the state they have never seen how they should live their lives. Crime in the inner cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul exists of course, but no where near the levels of Chicago or other areas like that. It is mostly gang related (ie drug related)

In 2013 the cookie-cutter Bloomberg anti-gun legislation was floated here but did not get the required support, even from liberals. One reason I believe is that the Socialist Governor here is also a hunter and has a history of mental illness/chemical dependency. THAT would have made for an uncomfortable situation but next time we might not get so 'lucky'.

Funny how these tax and spend states (who have no qualms about putting their hands in your pocket) are also the ones that are most likely to have a problem with you if they happen to find a firearm in said pocket! Talk about lack of freedom. We have to re-distribute our wealth to the very demographic that commits the majority of the violent crimes!

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People lining up to register their guns. You'll find plenty of old photos of the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany of people forced to line up for things. Like bread. Or identity cards. Or firing squads. Or transportation to concentration camps. That's what powerful centralized governments can do.

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I feel bad for the people of Connecticut. It seems like since Sandy Hook the liberal leaning states have been trying to compete with Kalifornia for having the worst gun laws in America. Whereas a number of the right leaning states have gotten better since Sandy Hook.


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the only way it would be faster is if they put a drive-thru on the gun stores.
That would be awesome. "I'll take a M&P Shield please. Do you have that in 9mm?"

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Vincent read your posted NC firearms stats. Article 17.2a is very clear. The county Sheriff in NC has total control over purchase permits. You must have a permit to purchase a handgun issued by the Sheriff.
I could not find where a resident was exempted by having a CCW. It certainly appears from your post that you must have a Sheriffs approval to purchase a handgun.
Regarding the CCW permit: you didn't see it in Vincent's link because that was in place before those changes came about. His article was only highlighting recent changes. The CCW exemption for pistol purchase permit is not a recent exemption. I bought at least two handguns in NC with my CCW permit about two years ago. I never had a pistol purchase permit.

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Require the sheriff to cite the specific facts upon which a permit is denied, and to list the applicable law which precluded the issuance of the permit. The list of denials (with no personal identifying information) is designated a public record. The list is to be organized by the quarters of the year, showing the number of denials and the reasons in each three month period, and the list shall only be released for past, completed quarters.
A sherrif must cite the law which backs up why a purchase permit is denied. He doesn't make the law. He merely enforces it.

No sh*t. Common sense. Stop trying to find issues just for the sake of it.
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Vincent read your posted NC firearms stats. Article 17.2a is very clear. The county Sheriff in NC has total control over purchase permits. You must have a permit to purchase a handgun issued by the Sheriff.
I could not find where a resident was exempted by having a CCW. It certainly appears from your post that you must have a Sheriffs approval to purchase a handgun.


Then I must have been doing it wrong for all these years...

PP not required at purchase w CCW...

The link I posted was just HB 937, the most recent pro-rights legislation, but certainly not the only improvements made here lately...

Sheriff has no LEGAL right to deny a paper permit if you satisfy the requirements...

JW nailed it...
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in Texas if you have a CC permit, you don't even have to go through the background check. walk in, fill out the 4473 form, pay and go!
Same with Kansas
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