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Old 12-08-2013, 01:50 PM   #71
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I think they probably attacked him because he was white. My point I was trying to make is IMO they were only charged with a hate crime because he was a Jew. I fully believe that had the victim been a normal "evil" white person(non Jew), no hate crime charge would've been brought.
Gotcha! And I would agree with this. Hate crimes seem to apply only to minorities - always a one-way street.
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Thought crime laws...er...I mean Hate crime laws are completely unnecessary and will lead to injustice not fix it. They will be turned into a club used to silence opposing views.
Of course everyone remembers Martin vs. Zimmerman, right? Whatever one thinks of Zimmerman's post trial behavior, simply put, he walked because the only crime committed that night was martin's assault and battery on Zimmerman. Interestingly, our friends at DoJ have refused to rule out Hate Crime prosecution against Zimmerman. Sounds fair right? Politically motivated thought police come after you because you lawfully defended yourself against a perp of the wrong demographic. Colleges and Universities all over the country, in a fit of epic irony, have all manner of hate speech rules in place. Aside from shutting down unpopular opinions, what exactly does that fix?
FWIW, last I looked, I have every right to hate someone. I hate a lot of things and I hate a number people for a number of reasons, both reasonable & unreasonable. If you drive 7 mph under the speed limit in front of me when I'm trying to get to work, I've very likely uttered hate speech at you. Is that a crime? If I hit you with my truck, is that a hate crime or simple incompetence on my part? Do you need to be a specific race for that determination to be made? I'm a white male conservative (add in the military veteran thing and I'm a potential terrorist), so theoretically, I'm ripe for the picking where hate related legal procedures are concerned.
Is an appalling & horrible murder less appalling & horrible if it doesn't qualify for the hate crime kicker? Is the person more dead if it does? Vicious assaults and murders should be heinous enough without the government asserting that the perpetrator had a politically incorrect motivation.

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True. I was once "jumped" by several of My Ex-students(convicts is more what they were)...
Seems you knew who they were. Did they know who you were?

Did you give them higher grades?
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Seems you knew who they were. Did they know who you were? Did you give them higher grades?
They knew who I was, they were in the school at the time, and no I did not change any of their grades...
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They knew who I was, they were in the school at the time, and no I did not change any of their grades...
Did you at least give them detentions, or make them talk to you after class?
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" Hate crime " laws indeed run against traditional jurisprudence . We should punish actions based on their objective seriousness and not based on motive . A crime is a crime .

If you see an attack about to occur, you have the options of :
1) Shouting a warning to the victim or the attackers and...
2) Brandishing a firearm and shooting if the attackers don't stop ...
3) Shooting the attackers because such attacks are known from real cases to be threats to life and limb .

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Did you at least give them detentions, or make them talk to you after class?
No, they were sent to JUvy on rikers island.....
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The white population had been in S.A. for 300 years. The nation fueled by socialist immigrants and empowered by the Communist controlled U.N. placed the ant-White racist in control.
The Whites lost their property and control of their home land. The whole world is honoring Mandella as a savior.

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The only reason this dirtbag was charged with a hate crime is because the victim was a Jew. If it was just a normal evil white person, no hate crime charge would've been brought.

I have yet to hear of a black person being charged with a hate crime for attacking a white person because of their race.
Unfortunately you are probably right. I say if more of these "knockout artists" started getting shot the "game" would probably stop.
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No, they were sent to JUvy on rikers island.....
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I would have at least made them clean the classroom.
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