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Old 12-07-2013, 01:46 PM   #61
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This is not totally true. If it were you wouldn't hear about those who are attached and are CC and able to defend themselves. The reality is the frequency may be reduced as the perps hear about some CCing and think twice about committing a crime. However, when I watch the evening NEWS it appears to me most perps don't ever watch NEWS. If they did they would be more aware of the cameras in convenient stores and gas station stop-in type places. They seem to have no clue there are cameras looking right at them - many without masks, favorite shirts, etc.
True. I was once "jumped" by several of My Ex-students(convicts is more what they were) Walking from The School at 3:15 to the Subway. Boy were they Sorry! They got to see the "cane-Fu" up close....Walked back to school, and a Det. from across the street at the 9th Pct. come over...the next day the 3 of them got arrested & suspended for their trouble. Did they think I was gonna change their grades from failing to passing because they hit me a few times??
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NY City councilwoman Laurie Cumbo has discovered the cause of those of those knockout attacks: It's the Jews. Yep, that's right, this idiot says the Jews are the problem because they have dared to prosper and accumulate stuff.

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Cumbo released a letter explaining how none of this could be the black criminals’ fault and it all has to be the Jews fault because, she says, Jews in her area has been prospering and growing of late.

“Many African American/Caribbean residents expressed a genuine concern that as the Jewish community continues to grow, they would be pushed out by their Jewish landlords or by Jewish families looking to purchase home,” this racist wrote on her Facebook page.

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NY City councilwoman Laurie Cumbo has discovered the cause of those of those knockout attacks: It's the Jews. Yep, that's right, this idiot says the Jews are the problem because they have dared to prosper and accumulate stuff. http://www.publiusforum.com/category/govenrment/
Yup how dare they have a successful community and do something positive with their lives. Dont you know living on govt benefits, growing up in broken homes and acting like a savage is the American dream!?
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OK, here's a different twist on this topic. You are carrying a gun, but are distracted by something. You become the target of a successful knockout game attack. You are knocked out. You regain consciousness. You get to your feet and move away from the attackers. They have already attacked you and are busy laughing about it, calling you names, clearly boasting that they are the ones who did it. Would the victim be justified in believing that he was still in danger? Would he be justified in using lethal force to defend himself from his attackers after the attack?
If that were the situation, I would not shoot. You can't shoot someone to 'get even'.
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Just my observation - I'm not taking a side but I do support the 2A. This statement tells me that cops are less effective - perhaps due to being dressed as cops - no element of surprise. Armed individuals assuming CC are not so obvious so the perps don't know what to expect and apparently don't assume anyone is armed. You see this same effect while driving. When a cop is visible people drive differently. They are more courteous, they signal, they drive the speed limit or less and the list goes on. This may contribute to the extra patrols not being as effective as one may wish.
In our area, we show a direct correlation between lower crime rates in a sector and extra patrols. We have groups of guys who volunteer to work extra patrols. They focus on a sector that needs them for a couple of months at a time. The crime rate goes down. When they move on to another sector, it slowly begins to come back up.
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If that were the situation, I would not shoot. You can't shoot someone to 'get even'.
I think you're probably right. It would depend to some extent on the nature of their conversation about you after you recover. If they're still talking about doing something, then the threat could still be real. But just shooting because you got knocked out when you could leave the area would probably be prosecuted.

Here's a variation on that situation. You are a bystander and see someone else get attacked. The law, at least here in Oklahoma, allows you to use deadly force in defense of yourself OR ANOTHER. So, in theory, the law would be on your side. But the courts might not see it that way.

Does it matter whether you know the person who was attacked?

Does it matter whether you have heard the group planning to attack someone? "Look, here comes some clueless fool... Bet you can't knock them out with one punch!.... Oh yeah? Watch this..."
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I think you're probably right. It would depend to some extent on the nature of their conversation about you after you recover. If they're still talking about doing something, then the threat could still be real. But just shooting because you got knocked out when you could leave the area would probably be prosecuted.

Here's a variation on that situation. You are a bystander and see someone else get attacked. The law, at least here in Oklahoma, allows you to use deadly force in defense of yourself OR ANOTHER. So, in theory, the law would be on your side. But the courts might not see it that way.

Does it matter whether you know the person who was attacked?

Does it matter whether you have heard the group planning to attack someone? "Look, here comes some clueless fool... Bet you can't knock them out with one punch!.... Oh yeah? Watch this..."
Personally, I would not shoot in any of those cases. I would only shoot if I was in fear for my life or someone I loved. Just imagining the court hassles, legal fees, possibly being held in jail until court, etc. would make me shoot only in serious and extreme situations. I would have to feel MY life was in danger, not someone else possibly being knocked out.
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I am a 2nd generation American born Jew. My grandparents all came over prior to WWI.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that this is very likely a hate crime in this particular incident. A group of black teens pick out an obviously religious Orthodox Jew. They don't dress like you or I do. They have beards and long uncut sideburns, wear all black, from hats to shoes, with the exception of a white shirt.
As far as I'm concerned, all the victims who are white are singled out just for the fact that they are white. So by definition they are all hate crimes since they involve someone other than the race of the individuals who are carrying out these despicable crimes.
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I don't like the idea of a "hate crime". It should not be illegal to hate something or someone. When governments start to regulate thought or require only "nice" thoughts, we are in trouble.

This is racism. Call it what it is.

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I'm not challenging you but what do you read that indicates this occurred because he was an Orthodox Jew and not because he was white. If the media didn't mention it, what would you conclude? Did I miss something.
I think they probably attacked him because he was white. My point I was trying to make is IMO they were only charged with a hate crime because he was a Jew. I fully believe that had the victim been a normal "evil" white person(non Jew), no hate crime charge would've been brought.
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