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ric-hubbard 10-24-2013 12:35 AM

It's time we were clearer...
 
I have been following the back and forth on the Second Amendment for most of my life, always in the pro-2A side of the argument. While our opponents are are really bad at facts, they are good at the rhetoric game. They come up with terrific sound bites that make civilian disarmament sound like a real solution to the problems of crime and terrorism.

Our side is not as good at the sound bite competition because they are so good at twisting our words. For instance, when we say that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun what they use it to convince those in the middle that we want to hand out guns to everyone. We say more guns when what we mean is more people properly trained and carrying the guns they are trained on and willing to step up for the good of their community.

When we say that we think that a teacher who has gone through the proper training should be able to legally carry their handguns in order to protect their students they turn it into pro-gunners wanting to hand out handguns to every teacher.

We need to start being more clear in what we say. Our sound bites need to say what we mean with as little a chance of twisting as possible.

towboater 10-24-2013 01:17 AM

THe liberals will always twist the truth. It is the only way they can win.

MisterMcCool 10-24-2013 01:24 AM

Read John Ross' "Give It To Them Straight." It is really short (one page.) Google it.

Anna_Purna 10-24-2013 01:37 AM

It works just fine in Israel, why not here. Do you see any of these children traumatized from the gun?:rolleyes:http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...ps006f25a2.jpg



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myers1991 10-24-2013 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Anna_Purna
It works just fine in Israel, why not here. Do you see any of these children traumatized from the gun?:rolleyes:

oh the horror. I can't look.

myers1991 10-24-2013 01:57 AM

Good point ric....you have a great point but the liberal gun grabbers know exactly what we mean and our intentions behind our words. But they're "selectively immune" to the facts we spit out....the only way they can defend themselves is to talk over and twist what we say around to where all the sudden we are the bad guys. It's a never ending game for them until they get what they want...control.

John_Deer 10-24-2013 02:00 AM

The problem with sound bites is they are one or two sentences. It's difficult to give details in two sentences. Everything the OP posted would be more appropriate for a 30 second commercial or a short interview.

RJMercer 10-24-2013 02:52 AM

We in the pro 2A community are generally very clear and detailed in what we say and think and I think that is part of our problem. We speak above the heads of our average low information voters just by our nature. We pay attention, they don't, and we tend to want to get all of the pertinent facts our front as quickly as possible and try to at least give them a moderate, informative, yet brief primer on the facts in the argument that they have missed or been lied to about by the low information media.
It is difficult for logical clear headed people to sloganeer and sound bite-ize and neatly package facts and stats that would be easily absorbed by low info skulls full-o-mush.
That's my think anyway.

TDS92A 10-24-2013 05:00 PM

We could dumb down "Guns do not kill people, People kill people.", but for the life of me I cannot figure out how.

John_Deer 10-25-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TDS92A (Post 1411920)
We could dumb down "Guns do not kill people, People kill people.", but for the life of me I cannot figure out how.

You can see how angry the far left gets when you present facts they cannot refute. Imagine if they were carrying a gun when you made them angry. They would get mad and shoot someone before they could get their emotions in check. Since they are wired that way, they think everyone is wired that way.

One of the biggest lies liberals spout is guns make it too easy to kill another human. If one had to get a knife or a club to kill someone they would calm down before they actually draw blood.

Yet, if you observe the murder rate in England, they have no problem killing others with anything they can find or even their bare hands.


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