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Old 12-25-2012, 05:34 PM   #161
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All I can say is that when criminals start paying attention to the "Gun Free Zone" laws and following them then I will too. Until then I'm going to keep the playing field level by exercising my Right To Carry in order to protect myself and others. It's sad that Common Sense isn't all that common anymore.

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The gun free zones that are on private property would have to be enforced by filing a civil complaint. Those aren't laws.
private property is private property. i have stated this before many times, that i feel the rights of the property owner trump those of the person carrying, period. in this matter i have to side with the property owner and say his rights are paramount to any others. because when they say what another can or cannot do on your property, that's a larger violation of rights.
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Private Property that has Public Access isn't really "private" now is it. Places like Malls, Churches, Restaurants, or any place else with free Public access is a place where lawful CCW's should be allowed to carry. If it's truly private like someone's home or if you have to pay to get in then that's a different story.

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private property is private property. i have stated this before many times, that i feel the rights of the property owner trump those of the person carrying, period. in this matter i have to side with the property owner and say his rights are paramount to any others. because when they say what another can or cannot do on your property, that's a larger violation of rights.
I would agree with you to a certain extent, but only as far as private property that is not open to the public. A shopping mall or even a public school should not be able to prevent from concealed carry. On the other hand a smaller business such as a store that is located inside a shopping mall should be able to post no-carry. A person should be able to post their own home, or a private club or membership based business (such as Costco) should be post as well.
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Private Property that has Public Access isn't really "private" now is it. Places like Malls, Churches, Restaurants, or any place else with free Public access is a place where lawful CCW's should be allowed to carry. If it's truly private like someone's home or if you have to pay to get in then that's a different story.
by all intent of present law, yes it is still private property. so if i own a business, and i for whatever reason don't want someone carrying on my property, you feel that their right to carry, over-rules my rights as property owner?

i'm sorry, but i feel you are quite wrong on this. it's my property, that i pay for, i pay the bills on, so therefor i get to make the rules, not you or any civil complaint is goingto change my mind on this. if you don't agree or like it, then take your business elsewhere. you have the right to vote with your wallet. that's my position.
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If "private" property owners are serious about keeping guns off their property they need to spend a little more money than the cost of a sign and install security entrances with metal detectors and security guards. If anyone can walk in with a gun in their waistband so will I.

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I would say any property "owner" who receives tax credits, tax subsidies or any kind of financial assistance from local, state or fed Gov't should not be allowed to infringe on our rights.

Carry or not, who's the wiser if you keep it to yourself?

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by all intent of present law, yes it is still private property. so if i own a business, and i for whatever reason don't want someone carrying on my property, you feel that their right to carry, over-rules my rights as property owner?

i'm sorry, but i feel you are quite wrong on this. it's my property, that i pay for, i pay the bills on, so therefor i get to make the rules, not you or any civil complaint is goingto change my mind on this. if you don't agree or like it, then take your business elsewhere. you have the right to vote with your wallet. that's my position.
A mall is owned by a corporation and sets the rule for the property. The business owners housed within that mall have no choice in the matter therefore their 2A rights are being violated. I say that business owners should not have a mandated ban, they should be able to choose what they want for their own business.
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well anyone that wants to violate the rights of property owners. then let me put it another way. put the shoe on the other foot. you own a business and put up no smoking signs and someone comes into your place of business and lights up a cigarette, then you by your own admission have no right ot bitch and moan that they have violated your wishes.

if you want others to respect your rights and wishes, then you need to respect those of others. fair is fair, and IMO, my rights as property owner over-rule your rights to carry on my property. even if access is granted to the general public, it's still private property.

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well anyone that wants to violate the rights of property owners. then let me put it another way. put the shoe on the other foot. you own a business and put up no smoking signs and someone comes into your place of business and lights up a cigarette, then you by your own admission have no right ot bitch and moan that they have violated your wishes.

if you want others to respect your rights and wishes, then you need to respect those of others. fair is fair, and IMO, my rights as property owner over-rule your rights to carry on my property. even if access is granted to the general public, it's still private property.
Bad analogy. If a customer pulls out his gun and starts target practice in your store then it is like a smoker ignoring "no smoking" signs. He can still have cigarettes and matches in his pocket, or even out in the open where they can be seen.

A concealed carry prohibition is like banning diapers. You should never know if the person has them on or not, but if they need it you by God better hope they are wearing them!

Rather than a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" perhaps they should have signs that say "Illegal possession or illegal discharge of firearms is strictly prohibited on these premises".

But that would just be sensible, which is why they don't do it that way.
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