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Old 12-22-2012, 03:52 PM   #131
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if anyone would create a GFZ to allow innocent children to be shot to further their cause or agenda, is just as much a POS as the shooter himself! to promote such an agenda is foolish and criminal. to allow an environment that would allow the senseless killing of anyone who is unarmed or unable to defend themselves without regard is just wrong. this applies to the theater shooting in Aurora as well.

the only way you can have a true GFZ is with proper safeguards in place to ensure the safety of those who go there. without that, all you have are unarmed defenceless potential victims if a demented individual decides to go an a killing spree.
Fast and furious.... They don't mind killing to further their agenda.

If you had hitler in your sites, but you had to shoot through a 6 year old to get him. Would you do it? You'd be saving the lives of millions of children....

That's their mindset. Sure kids might die, but if it gets guns banned, were saving more lives in the end...
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I can not believe that the intent of GFZ's is mass shootings. It's the unintended consequence of allowing liberals to get there way.

It is incumbent on us, as "otherwise" law abiding citizens to ignore GFZ's for the purpose of protecting those around us.

CT and Oregon prove the point perfectly.

Oregon shooter confronted by an armed citizen retreats and ends his killing spree by ending his life...innocent death toll = 2

CT shooter is not confronted by an armed citizen and ends his killing spree when he runs out of steam by ending his life...innocent death toll = 27

The math is on ourside and can not be manipulated, however, it does require honorable men and women to accept the personal risk of carrying in GFZ's.

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Fast and furious.... They don't mind killing to further their agenda.

If you had hitler in your sites, but you had to shoot through a 6 year old to get him. Would you do it? You'd be saving the lives of millions of children....

That's their mindset. Sure kids might die, but if it gets guns banned, were saving more lives in the end...
i don't deny that it doesn't happen, just that an agency or person that would stoop to such a level to further their own agenda, that allows innocent people to be put in harms way to prove a point, are just as much as scum as those who would do the killing in the first place.
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I find 'intent' pretty clear, when someone rocking a Che Guevera item, tells me I need to disarm...

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In my city, to be a gun free zone you must have a sign and metal detector at every public entrance.

All other signs carry no penalty except being asked to leave.

They can kiss my Ask to leave. I am gonna carry.

Bars and Casinos are OK, and Schools are OK if the Administrator says so.

Just avoid the Post Office and Government buildings.

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Regarding the title of this thread, if you carry into a properly posted GFZ in complete disregard for the posted signs, how are you any different than the millions of people who enter the country illegally?

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Regarding the title of this thread, if you carry into a properly posted GFZ in complete disregard for the posted signs, how are you any different than the millions of people who enter the country illegally?
Is this a serious question? Did you have too much eggnog?
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Well, just in case this was a serious question...


If a gun owner ignores a gun free zone sign, enters and speaks a different language than everyone else and expects everyone to accommodate his language...
If he enters the gun free zone, takes a percentage of everyone in that zones property and sends it out of the gun free zone.
If that person enters the gun free zone, says hell work for a fraction of the wages of the current employees.
If that person enters the gun free zone, and gets free medical care, free education, a drivers license etc... But contributes nothing to the gun free zone...
If that person enters the gun free zone, has a kid, then can't be asked to leave the gun free zone...

.... Then there is no difference between disobeying a gun free zone and being in the USA illegally...

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Is this a serious question? Did you have too much eggnog?
No eggnog.

Both are crimes, granted the seriousness of it depends on where you are and all (this is true on both counts), but it is still a crime nonetheless. Some of the people who come here illegally do so with ill intent, many don't and are here for the opportunity it provides and other than the crime of entering the country illegally are fine, upstanding and law abiding people. The same is true in the theater is it not? (again, understanding that there is a difference. It is not a direct analogy- but it is the best I could come up with).

I thought about analogizing running a stop sign or red light, but that does not translate as well IMO.
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Well, just in case this was a serious question...


If a gun owner ignores a gun free zone sign, enters and speaks a different language than everyone else and expects everyone to accommodate his language...
If he enters the gun free zone, takes a percentage of everyone in that zones property and sends it out of the gun free zone.
If that person enters the gun free zone, says hell work for a fraction of the wages of the current employees.
If that person enters the gun free zone, and gets free medical care, free education, a drivers license etc... But contributes nothing to the gun free zone...
If that person enters the gun free zone, has a kid, then can't be asked to leave the gun free zone...

.... Then there is no difference between disobeying a gun free zone and being in the USA illegally...
Ease up there Cochise. I am simply talking about the entry crime. That is all. Not trying to make this into an illegal immigration issue, it is about entering a theater with a concealed weapon in disregard of the signs.

If you can come up with a better analogy please do.
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