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Old 02-10-2013, 11:14 PM   #191
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I am glad to hear it... And I am happy that some of our English cousins can still enjoy arms ownership to a degree.

However, I do not agree with the notion that these conversations turn off the fence sitters. Again, this goes back to the "Rocky" syndrome I mentioned earlier. Americans love a perceived underdog... Especially one who honestly exposes the myth of Federal power.

It also hinges on my long held belief of always speaking the truth regardless of the consequences. If I trully believe that Federal registration would lead to violent civil conflict, which I do, it would hardly be fair of me to let the fence sitters labor under the false belief that this debate would not effect their lives when I believe it has the potential of tearing our country in half.

Now, for those who've not followed all of my posts on this subject, understand that as a Father of 4 with 3 still in the nest, the last thing I "or any American" want's to see is a violent conflict with anyone...HOWEVER

... the desire to live in peace should not be mistaken for an unwillingness to fight... and those of us who swore our oathes to defend the Constitution will honor that oath.

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I would agree debates on this forum have made me look at the way i think about firearm laws and controls in the uk. Unfortunately i think it is already to late to get back what we have lost regards firearms in the uk.
Maybe you will have better luck in America. By getting politicians on board and other peaceful means. I don't think talk of revolution civil war etc is helpful. It will just make Americans that don't have a view one way or another come down on the side of gun control. The thought of guns in the hands of people with them sorts of views would concern a lot of Americans more than further gun controls like it or not.
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There is an awakening albeit very small. Maybe when Scotland gets it's independence in poss 2015 and gets it's own constitution it may spur on changes for England.
Unfortunately if Scotland get their independence all sings are that the Scottish government will bring in stricter gun controls.

Example Quote. The Scottish Government has a long-standing commitment to modernise and strengthen the law around air weapons, to better protect Scotland’s communities. This commitment is being taken forwards using the new powers transferred to the Scottish Parliament by the Scotland Act 2012.
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Does anyone remember the Battle of Athens?
However: ‘The Battle of Athens’ was local former GIs, who had been ‘battle tested’ and trusted each other, and who had the keys to the armory, resisting a local corrupt sheriff.

I think it would be another story entirely for citizens to stand against the US military. Witness the forced integration of the schools in Little Rock. It’s not like the white residents weren't against it, still they didn’t mount a resistance to the Army.
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Unfortunately if Scotland get their independence all sings are that the Scottish government will bring in stricter gun controls.

Example Quote. The Scottish Government has a long-standing commitment to modernise and strengthen the law around air weapons, to better protect Scotland’s communities. This commitment is being taken forwards using the new powers transferred to the Scottish Parliament by the Scotland Act 2012.
Yeah they tried to get the gov to enact even stricter laws last time out
I bet the 2a won't be on their constitution!

I do not trust Alex sammond . Might put a bit of distance between us although I am not really in favor of breaking the union. I think it's a big mistake for the Scottish because I don't think he's thought it through.
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Wont happen guys, relax. Dont sound the alarm over speculation.
A few stupid regs on hi cap mags and military features on semi rifles....is not worth a freaking revolution. Doubt much of this will ever pass anyways - too many roadblocks and nobody other than a few extreme libs want to see new gun laws
You might want to check out California law to see just how far they can and will go. And it is just the beginning here.
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No. Ive done my part. Emailed many senators, local state reps, and signed COUNTLESS petitions. Ive spent hours and hours posting on Facebook and arguiing with numbskulls. Dont you DARE call me part of a problem fella.

This thread is about a bloody revolution against government trying to snatch up people's guns. Aint happening, and if it did I think these small limitations are NOT worth an all out revolt. A gun grab would never happen. Come back to reality.
small concessions lead to slavery in the end.
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The fact is that this isn't about just the Second Amendment, 2A is just one of the many last straws. Obamacare, bank bailouts, takeover of the auto industry, untold czars unanswerable to anyone, Fast & Furious, lack of a secure border, 16 trillion in debt and rising, crony capitalism, killing the coal industry, etc. I could go on and on.

The Socialist in Chief has awakened an apathetic populace and he will be surprised at what he has wrought. Count on unintended consequences.

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It is up to us to make the constitution stand.

....and being written by the people and for the people...I stand armed and ready to defend my right to stand armed and ready.
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Ok... Now were down to math huh? Alright then...

US Gun Owners = 80 Million
US Law Enforcement = 1 Million "State and Federal"
US Military = 1.3 Mlion

Now, if we use your assumption that a minority of US Gun Owner would resist, IMHO, a realistic percentage would 10% which is conservative when you recognize that 13% actively participated in our last revolution.

As a US Army Infantry Veteran, I can tell you that less than 50% of active trigger pullers would follow orders to fire on US Citizens so...

...we are talking about an 8 million man militia forces acting independently, unseen, and unidentifiable until they strike against approximately 1.5 Million fixed, uniformed targets that are easilly identifiable and engagable... Hmm

Breaking down the numbers really squashes the myth of Government Invincibility and hi lights just how ludicrous the notion of Government power really is.

We, the American Gun Owners, ARE the power behind the throne and we would choose to burn that throne to the ground before we would kneel to it.

This mentality is not something I would expect a "subject" to understand.

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Yup. I have to agree. The gun owners are the power. If we all took the stance that the government knows what they are doing and relinquished all of our rights, this nation would find its self subject to the whims of a tyrannical government who care nothing bout it's people, only their desire to be in total control of this country, thus making us nothing more than subjects, taking away the voice we once had.

Don't doubt for a minute that gun owners will put up a fight to defend and preserve their rights and freedoms. We are supposed to be a country where the people's voice makes a difference, and I can assure you I will be standing along side of those who intend to take a stand.

And also realize that those in the service of our countries armed forces, those who have taken an oath to stand up for this country, will probably be standing right next to us for I believe that they have sworn to stand up against terrorism, both internationally and nationally. They fight to preserve our freedom...... On all fronts. And that makes me proud of all the men and women in our armed forces.
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