Originally Posted by Tackleberry1
That member was from either Illinois, NY, or one of the other sates with gun owner registration. As we saw in the recent media release of gun permit holders addresses, most of these data bases are inaccurate and obsolete boondoggles.
Yes, we've seen it in a few state and there has not been violent revolt because within the US, there a 50 different states, will 50 different levels of gun liberties.
Anyone unwilling to live under this despotism has the option of moving to a gun friendly state... And many did. Or they registered to maintain a minimum level of armament and shipped their banned items out of state for friends or Familly to hold legally.
You are confusing our freedom of movement with compliance... Which is foolish.
The reason our system has had the success it has over the years is because all power not expressly granted to the Federal Government is reserved to the States and the People. This results in 50 laboratories of democracy where ideas are tried. Ideas that work get adopted by other States, ideas that don't get repealed...
Before you quip next about the lack of revolt at the last Federal AWB "1994 to 2004" let me remind you of a few thing.
1. The Grandfather Clause meant that in reality it banned NOTHING. It was hollow legislation that only mean your AR with a flash suppressor and collapsable stock cost you about $500 more than a newer rifle without these features.
2. It preceded the 24 hr new cycle and came at a time when 2A information was limited to news rack gun magazines and opposition correspondence was still primarily by letter.
Our nation has become far more polarized along the lines of personal liberties resulting in a situation where "most" of the people supporting gun bans to "save lives" also support the killing of 600,000 unborn children every year. And "most" of the people supporting gun rights respect all life, particularly unborn innocent life.
That not to say that if we had to power to ban abortion, we would... Several recent Republican presidents have had both houses of Congress and never moved in this direction. They didn't do it because while most of us oppose abortion... Most of us are unwilling to force our values upon others.
Our liberal adversaries do not share our respect for the rights of the opposition... and Americas 80 Million gun owners have recognized this. We have also recognized that there are NO acceptable levels of gun ownership our adversaries would ever accept. Each new "common sence" if passed, would only be followed by yet another "common sense" proposal down the road.
Our opposition will not stop until we are completely dissarmed... So why would we capitulate now? Why would we peacefully surrender the most valuable tools we have to prevent this?
The short answer is that we WON'T.
To a degree we can thank lemming gun owners like the British and Australians for helping to galvanize our side. Your capitulation and weakness, your willingness to kneel in exchange for the false promise of safety has show us that our liberals are no different and will not stop until out guns too, fall to the chop saws and melting pots... And the only legal guns lefts are registered and kept exactly where the Government can find them.
"those who beat their guns into plows... Will plow for those who did not"
"what make Americans different" you ask?
We've had the bennifit of watching your folly, we know that given our pourous borders and drug trade... Our "no gun" future would resemble Mexico's "no gun" reality... And above all else, our nation was born behind the muzzle of a gun discharging toward our enemies... We've no problem with preserving it in the same manner if forced to do so.
You, my dear friend Manta, have already been whipped... You and your countrymen have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found lacking.
Now, go sit down, drink some tea, and lamment the permanent loss of you manhood.
I find myself agreeing with many thing's you've said tack but you begin to lose credibility when you resort to getting personal.
I think manta is challenging the keyboard warriors claims of what their going to do if there is a gun grab. Actions speak louder than words and only time will tell if people stand up like they say.
We've had our own revolution and revolts a few hundred years ago but times change. Your revolution was a very long time ago and I wonder whether anyone would have an appetite for such actions on just one issue no matter how strongly you feel about it.
It doesn't take much to rally support against a supposed 'foreign ' gov or army, it takes a lot more issues to fire up people to over throw their own elected government when you still have the option to vote them out in a few years.
I think is great that you try to protect your constitution with the passion you do and it is worth protecting I wish we had one -well we did to certain degrees in different forms but they where either re written or ignored or became irrelevant.
Don't forget as visionary as your forefathers were, constitutions can be amended or changed, made relevant for the era we are in just like the Bible has been re written many times over the years to suit the people in power at the time. yet people still live by a book which was written by men who have given their own interpretation of the words of God .
I just get the feeling of the inevitability of constitutional change in the future because the world around us has changed. If it happens it will be a sad day for all.
I personally whole heartedly support your right to protect what u have and agree new restrictions would be useless but some of you are becoming a bit unreasonable in your arguments to the extent that your happy for innocent people to die for a magazine change.
Freedom comes in many forms I am a free thinker therefore a do not believe in God , people can also be enslaved by their minds our country seperated church and state for that reason. Religion is about control.., can you honestly say your country is totally free?