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Old 02-09-2013, 11:31 PM   #151
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What did it achieve it was hardly a mass popular action.



You are kidding yourself you are assuming that most americans have a problem with gun control.



The authorities in America had no problem shooting at unarmed citizens in the past.

Quote. On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic. The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds of colleges and universities to close.
And were those students armed? NO! Had they been, it might have had a different outcome dontcha think?
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And were those students armed? NO! Had they been, it might have had a different outcome dontcha think?
No they would just have had justification to shoot more of them.
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What did it achieve it was hardly a mass popular action.



You are kidding yourself you are assuming that most americans have a problem with gun control.



The authorities in America had no problem shooting at unarmed citizens in the past.

Quote. On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic. The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds of colleges and universities to close.
Per wikipedia, only 29 out of 77 National Guardsman admitted firing 67 rounds into the crowd of demonstrators, killing 4 and wounding 9 (one paralyzed).

That represents well less than the 50% estimated by Tackleberry.

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You are kidding yourself you are assuming that most americans have a problem with gun control.
Politicians are reluctant to vote on this look at the yeas and nays on the
90's bill, Many of the yea votes there, lost their seats in the 1994 elections.
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Manta I can sort of understand, but don't except, the fact that you live in an oppressive society. I, and a few of the older folks around here in America, pretty much grew up being free. Free to go out and shoot anytime we wanted, free to have as many guns we wanted without fear of recriminations, free to just be ourselves and live a life of liberty as free, and self-governing, individuals. In America, the people govern. That's the way it's set up and a lot of us won't except anything less than that. I know I don't. Anything less than that is stealing my God given rights. I won't give up my rights to someone that thinks they know what's best for my life because you know what? They don't. I know what's best for my life. I know what's best for my family. I don't need someone in Washington DC or anywhere else, telling me how I should choose to live, or what I should do with my life. It's my live. It doesn't belong to ANY government, society, or political ideology. It's mine solely, and I choose to be free. So would I defend my liberty? You damn right I would.

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being free is a personal right. being able to defend yourself is also a personal right. the founding fathers agreed on this and wrote it into the Constitution and gave us the 2nd amendment to reinforce their belief in this concept. they believed in the concept of defending ourselves against tyranny and oppression, not from personal attack. the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed was their way of saying the the people should always have the power and never the government.

believe it or not, our government does still fear us, the armed citizen, hence their agenda to try and disarm us at every possible chance they can. they will use lies and deception to sway the uninformed masses, to try and change the beliefs of those who know no better. they try to use the argument of trying to stop horrendous violence as the platform to launch their agenda. sadly, people are slowly realizing their measures will not stop the senseless attacks and the indisriminate kiling. they are realizing thes measures are futile at best, and won't work anymore than the previous measures have.

as an American, i feel there is a time for peaceful resolution, and there will be a time to make a stand and say enough is enough. so far IMO, peaceful resolution does seem to be working, but we must remain vigilant and be prepared for when it doesn't. never allow your guard to slip and we must never be complacent and think we have won this battle.

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I can't decide what I want to buy I want them both only one permit left sig 1911 or beretta 96
A post on the forum above. That would suggest that registration and permits are already in force in some states. Where were all the patriots and protests to stop it.
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being free is a personal right. being able to defend yourself is also a personal right. the founding fathers agreed on this and wrote it into the Constitution and gave us the 2nd amendment to reinforce their belief in this concept. they believed in the concept of defending ourselves against tyranny and oppression, not from personal attack. the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed was their way of saying the the people should always have the power and never the government.

believe it or not, our government does still fear us, the armed citizen, hence their agenda to try and disarm us at every possible chance they can. they will use lies and deception to sway the uninformed masses, to try and change the beliefs of those who know no better. they try to use the argument of trying to stop horrendous violence as the platform to launch their agenda. sadly, people are slowly realizing their measures will not stop the senseless attacks and the indisriminate kiling. they are realizing thes measures are futile at best, and won't work anymore than the previous measures have.

as an American, i feel there is a time for peaceful resolution, and there will be a time to make a stand and say enough is enough. so far IMO, peaceful resolution does seem to be working, but we must remain vigilant and be prepared for when it doesn't. never allow your guard to slip and we must never be complacent and think we have won this battle.
Yup, walk softly and carry a big stick.
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