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Old 02-08-2013, 10:00 PM   #111
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Do you think Americans are any different you have laws that law abiding citizens follow just like most other countries. Maybe Americans just don't realize yet that they are no different to a lot of other countries.

OK what freedoms have you had in your lifetime that i haven't.? Ps don't forget some do concealed carry in this part of the uk and have used them.
The 2nd Amendment stands alone. I will also concede we are definayely tilting to socialism, hence the turmoil and disdain you callously dismiss.

What decade would you have me start a refernce to?
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Its easy to talk big on the net. In my experience the ones doing all the fighting talk are the first do what they are told.
You should know. Not enough people in the UK stood up for their firearms freedom and lost them.
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True most in the uk are anti gun or just don't care one way or the other. Americans are right to stand up for their firearms rights. But to say that there is no gun control in America is wrong. If Americans believe in democracy and vote in their politicians that go on to bring in further firearms controls that's democracy.

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What turmoil and disdain are you referring to.

PS You haven't told me yet what great freedoms you have that i don't.
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OK what freedoms have you had in your lifetime that i haven't.? Ps don't forget some do concealed carry in this part of the uk and have used them.
MS has legal, permit-free concealed/open carry in the person's car, home/property, or place of business. I'm not sure of their definitions on the place of business; since i don't own the business, the pistol stays in my desk or in the lockbox in my car's trunk (non-mandatory lock box). None of my firearms are "registered" with any government. A number of my firearms did not require me to pass a background check, as they were purchased privately or gifted to me by family (thanks Mom for the Bersa 9mm). I am not required by law to use a gunsafe, though i do own and use one of my own volition.

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Do you think Americans are any different you have laws that law abiding citizens follow just like most other countries. Maybe Americans just don't realize yet that they are no different to a lot of other countries.

OK what freedoms have you had in your lifetime that i haven't.? Ps don't forget some do concealed carry in this part of the uk and have used them.
We Americans have a natural dislike of authority... Refusing to comply with nonsence is part of our DNA. We also love a perceived underdog... Call it the "Rocky Balboa" complex.

I can't tell you "why" we are like this or "what" would drive us to risk our lives and freedoms for the ideals we cherrish... it simply IS what it IS.

The difference between us and the rest of the world is that we know what freedom is... We've lived it... we pitty those who never had it... And we dispise those who "gave it away".

If you'd like to understand the mindset behind all of this, go the beach, grasp a handfull of sand, and squeeze. That harder you try to grip your prize, the more of it slips through your fingers.

Unlike the rest of the world, we are the masters of our government... We decide who stays and who goes... And we recognize that our guns are, at the end of the day, the only insurance policy we hold.

...and we will hold it.

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That's fair enough. Does the same apply to all states in America. ?

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Unlike the rest of the world, we are the masters of our government... We decide who stays and who goes...
Yes so do most democracies they vote them in or out. PS If most Americans are that concerned about gun control etc how did Obama get in for a second term.
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That's fair enough. Does the same apply to all states in America. ?
It is my understanding that some of the more restrictive states require a permit to purchase or to own a firearm and that getting that permit involves a background check of some kind. I think Illinois is that way, not sure of others, probably NY.

edit* I am comforted by the fact that the poor people of such restrictive states at least have the option to move to freer states, like Mississippi.
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Not counting PTSD related suicide, the numbers are (n=3707):
55% of our causalities are from explosive devices (IEDs, RPGs, etc.);
33% are from aircraft crashes (no breakdown between being shot down from ‘just’ crashing);
19% from gunshot wounds;
15% vehicle accidents, non-combat related;
9% Falls. (Falls!?)

Frankly if it comes to civil war, that’s not a nightmare I want to live through anyway.
Vincine,

Many, if not most of the the suicides being suffered by our veterans is, imo, a direct cause from the types of medications being prescribed to them by the Psychiatric Branch of the service.

I feel this to be true because many of the same medications are prescribed to the same youths who are involved in school shootings and suicides.

How did our WW I and WW II veterans cope with horrors of war before the widespread use of psychotropic meds...?

They lived with it. Manned up and just lived with it.

The veterans who were my uncles, granduncles, and grandfathers didn't run off to the psycho-nannies for their fixes. No, they just came home and went back to work. They didn't talk about it. They just lived with it.

And in many cases, lived long lives.

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Yes so do most democracies they vote them in or out. PS If most Americans are that concerned about gun control etc how did Obama get in for a second term.
Simple majority by election.

And the mere fact that the republicans chose to lose the election by presenting an inferior candidate.

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True most in the uk are anti gun or just don't care one way or the other. Americans are right to stand up for their firearms rights. But to say that there is no gun control in America is wrong. If Americans believe in democracy and vote in their politicians that go on to bring in further firearms controls that's democracy.

What turmoil and disdain are you referring to.

PS You haven't told me yet what great freedoms you have that i don't.
America was not created a Democracy as is taught today in schools and apparently in foreign nations as well. We were born a representative republic, and we now suffer a democracy. The difference is in a republic, rights (see bill of rights) cannot be denied you just because a majority sees fit to take them away. In a democracy, there is no such protection.
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