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Old 02-08-2013, 08:08 PM   #91
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Manta... Yes, it is an American thing.

Unlike most other nations, our forefathers were the decendents of Europes most courageous people. People who left there home Nations for the chance of freedom and the opportunity to thrive.

This Country was not founded through peaceful redress of grievances... our founders tried unsuccessfully to avoid War with England but when their principle demanded liberty it became clear that War was the only way.

Throughout our brief history we have liberated and protected more allies, done more for human freedom, and given more in both blood and treasure than any previous people on earth.

These actions, many of which your countrymen have bennifted from, did not come about because our leaders "decreed it so". All of it, including our supply lines to England durring the Bltiz and our eventual full scale assistance in defeating the Nazis came about because the American Electorate, our people, demanded it.

The folks on this site who sound "crazy" too you because we would refuse to lay down for tyranny, as your country did, are the decendents of Patriots from Concord Bridge to Bunker Hill to the Cornwallace surrender at Charlston S.C, from Cessesion to Gettysburg, from the Trenches of France to the Jungles of the Pacific, from the beaches of Normandy to Hitlers "Eagles Nest", From the sands of Iraq to the mountains of Afghanistan...

Despite the impressions given by our current leadership... We ARE America, we will never be disarmed... And one day the world will again thank us for it.

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You can speak for me anytime Tack. Another post that is dead on and well said.


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Despite the impressions given by our current leadership... We ARE America, we will never be disarmed... And one day the world will again thank us for it.
Gun control is and has already happened in America. If it wasn't stoped then what makes you believe it would be stoped now.

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All of it, including our supply lines to England durring the Bltiz and our eventual full scale assistance in defeating the Nazis came about because the American Electorate, our people, demanded it
Most Americans did not want to be involved in ww2. It was Franklin D. Roosevelt and the attack on pearl harbour that brought America into the war.

Quote. September 1939, the ideological affinity between the USA and Britain was unquestionable, yet large swathes of the US public, media and politicians were deeply isolationist. With hindsight, many people resented America’s involvement in the First World War. The desire to ‘avoid foreign entanglements’ and focus on domestic issues was widespread.

PS Thanks for the history lesson or at least your version of history.
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Gun control is and has already happened in America. If it wasn't stoped then what makes you believe it would be stoped now. history.
Yes it has... And there are fully functioning machine guns stashed all over this country... To be brought into service again if needed.

As we vets know, we seldom ever had cause to use the select fire full auto mode on our issued M16's or M4's... We recognize that our semi auto sporting rifles will be the most effective and necessary of tools... Should the need arrise... and we will not part with them.

Most Americans did not want to be involved in ww2. It was Franklin D. Roosevelt and the attack on pearl harbour that brought America into the war.

^^THIS^^ is true... We were not interested in another European war until the Japanese attacked us and Hitler was foolish enough to declare war in support of his ally...

But like Winston Churchill said... "The Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, AFTER. They have exhausted every other option".

I never said we were perfect, just that we ALWAYS find a way to step up.
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You can speak for me anytime Tack. Another post that is dead on and well said.
I agree with this. Thank you Tack.
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Unlike most other nations, our forefathers were the decendents of Europes most courageous people. People who left there home Nations for the chance of freedom and the opportunity to thrive.

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Tack, some of us are descended from forefathers who got kicked out or starved out of some European countries for not "fitting in" with their political situations. Many of my ancestors split Ireland as a result of their potato famine, some with complaints about the government reaction to that sad situation.

True socialism requires people to "fit in"; many of us are from lineages with a poor track record of "fitting in". Hopefully, this will keep truer socialism from taking root.
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Gun control is and has already happened in America. If it wasn't stoped then what makes you believe it would be stoped now.
What is the definition of Freedom in the UK?? Honest question.
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Tack, some of us are descended from forefathers who got kicked out or starved out of some European countries for not "fitting in" with their political situations. Many of my ancestors split Ireland as a result of their potato famine, some with complaints about the government reaction to that sad situation.

True socialism requires people to "fit in"; many of us are from lineages with a poor track record of "fitting in". Hopefully, this will keep truer socialism from taking root.
Gello...

Yep, Many Irish immigrants had to flee, but remember, the necessity of their flight was predicated on their refusal to lay down and suffer... They would not "conform".

All of our European ancestry, be they wealthy folks looking for lower taxes and regulations or dirt poor folks looking for opportunity and willing to endenture their services for a period of time just to get here, were ALL cut from the same cloth.

The Atlantic crossing was no joke back then. It took balls for anyone to endure the risk and expense of that 3 month journey.

All of these people, Europes miss fits and non conformists became, with freedom, something they never could have become in Europe... Free Men.

They are the original captains of industry and sired the Rockerfellers and the Carnaghies and the men who ran there trains and factories.

America got the brightest and the boldest Europe had to offer while the weak and the comfortable stayed home.

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I think the people of New York and other states that are pulling this stuff need to find a pro second amendment attorney who will work with them and also has a personal interest in stopping unconstitutional attacks. Form a large collective group who will join the group in NY and with minimal donation support. They can be and are successful! And then file litigation and various actions against Cuomo and the State of New York. Town meetings, fund raisers, events and the like. Or as a last resort relocate in another state and let their gravy train tax base go to H! If you do not think it works look at how minority groups have stuck together and been successful! Most of you must agree it has worked.
Sometimes big brother is not as big as they think they are! And NOW is the time to show them!
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Tack, some of us are descended from forefathers who got kicked out or starved out of some European countries for not "fitting in" with their political situations. Many of my ancestors split Ireland as a result of their potato famine, some with complaints about the government reaction to that sad situation.

True socialism requires people to "fit in"; many of us are from lineages with a poor track record of "fitting in". Hopefully, this will keep truer socialism from taking root.
I think you both were saying the same thing in different ways. I also am largely (both senses of the word lol) am Irish. So is my wife.. Sadly for me our kids have both of our disdain for authority.
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What is the definition of Freedom in the UK?? Honest question.
Honest answer anything law full. Take out the stricter firearms laws and what freedoms do Americans have that the uk doesn't.
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