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Old 05-24-2013, 05:55 PM   #41
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Cool Mayor.

But if I was that citizen, I'd have told the council member to pound salt. It was none of his business.

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Cool Mayor.

But if I was that citizen, I'd have told the council member to pound salt. It was none of his business.
But because he answered truthfully the point was made that the law abiding gun owners and carry conceal permit holders are NOT a threat or the problem.... Quite the opposite... and the good mayor not only recognized that, but applauded it.... and the two councel members who evntually left showed their true colors as well (yellow I believe it was). I thought that whole video was way and it gives me hope for some type of common sense to flourish and (hopefully) eventually triumph against fear-minded panic and paranoia.
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But because he answered truthfully the point was made that the law abiding gun owners and carry conceal permit holders are NOT a threat or the problem.... Quite the opposite... and the good mayor not only recognized that, but applauded it.... and the two councel members who evntually left showed their true colors as well (yellow I believe it was). I thought that whole video was way and it gives me hope for some type of common sense to flourish and (hopefully) eventually triumph against fear-minded panic and paranoia.
Bingo...

I've seen fellow Vets do some admirable things but this young man's candor and calm demeanor is what every 2A advocate should strive to be.

...and the OC support he received at the next council meeting is what finally changed my mind about OC.

Anyone whose not seen the follow up video of OCers packing the same council chamber need to google it up and watch.

Knowinging that law, staying calm, and being honest in the face of hysteria... Is the road to victory regardless of who your facing.

What happened in NJ is a disgrace but anyone who looks at both videos can see that while the WA Veteran remained calm, and "on point", the NJ man was visibly angry and emotional... Not saying the way he was treated is ok, just saying that his demeanor provided his adversary with an excuse to silence him.

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Bingo...

I've seen fellow Vets do some admirable things but this young man's candor and calm demeanor is what every 2A advocate should strive to be.

...and the OC support he received at the next council meeting is what finally changed my mind about OC.

Anyone whose not seen the follow up video of OCers packing the same council chamber need to google it up and watch.

Knowinging that law, staying calm, and being honest in the face of hysteria... Is the road to victory regardless of who your facing.

What happened in NJ is a disgrace but anyone who looks at both videos can see that while the WA Veteran remained calm, and "on point", the NJ man was visibly angry and emotional... Not saying the way he was treated is ok, just saying that his demeanor provided his adversary with an excuse to silence him.

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What I saw in that NJ man was an intense frustration that a lot of NJ people feel, when their choices are, cut and run, as I did, or go tilting windmills, as he is doing. Maybe, because of family obligations, he can't afford to run. It was easy for me, not having family or kids to worry about. But I can tell you that man is just shouting into a hurricane. It's tough to watch.
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What I saw in that NJ man was an intense frustration that a lot of NJ people feel, when their choices are, cut and run, as I did, or go tilting windmills, as he is doing. Maybe, because of family obligations, he can't afford to run. It was easy for me, not having family or kids to worry about. But I can tell you that man is just shouting into a hurricane. It's tough to watch.
Yes it is tough to watch but consider this...

My career involves negotiating construction contracts and change orders. What that means is both small and large businesses discussing BIG dollars and doing so with a mix of "owners" who's very homes may be on the line and "hired guns"... managers who are well paid to represent their companies interests.

Rule #1 of ANY negation is: The first one to "lose there cool" loses the debate. PERIOD... end of story.

Right or Wrong, Fair or Unfair, NEVER enters the equation.

Does not matter if your negotiating across a board room table, across the hood of an LEO's cruiser, or across the witness/comment table at a political hearing.

Passion is an admirable trait in a fight... but mistaking a debate, for an actual fight, is a critical error and will guarantee a fight ensues once diplomacy officially fails.

So... How do you tell he difference between a fight and a debate? Simple... When gun play ensues... The debate is over. It's now time to lay down and shut up, or take aim, either way, your done talking... so pick the course of action you can live with and give it everything you've got.

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