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RadioActiV 05-11-2010 11:08 PM

How does the F.F.L. buyer and seller work?
 
My question is if you purchase or sell a firearm who has to have a F.F.L.? Both you and the buyer? Or just the buyer? Also how do you mail it? Do you have to have a F.F.L. mail the firearm for you, or do you just mail it yourself to the buyers F.F.L.? PLease any input would much be appreciated

c3shooter 05-11-2010 11:26 PM

FFL= Federal firearms License. Most commonly, an 01FFL (Dealer) or 03 FFL (Collector). When the ownership of a firearm is transferred ACROSS A STATE LINE, the firearm must be RECEIVED by a FFL holder. The FFL can then transfer the firearm to a resident of that state. Example- neither you nor I have a FFL. You want to buy the M1 Carbine I own. I'm in VA, you're in... well wherever you are that is not Virginia. We agree on a price, you send me money. You have a dealer send me a copy of his license, or at least gives me his name, address, and license number (which I can verify on the ATF website) I mail the carbine to HIM. When he gets it, he calls you- you go to his shop, do the same paperwork as if you were buying the gun from him. You pay him for his time, take your carbine, go home.

Now there are exceptions for inheritance, etc, but this covers 99% of the time. You do not have to have a FFL to ship, only to receive. Transfer WITHIN a state, no FFL required. Yes, you can MAIL a rifle or shotgun. Only a DEALER or MANUFACTURER can MAIL a handgun (not even a collector can mail a handgun- we got left out of the wording of the regulation) NON DEALERS can only ship a handgun by common carrier, such as UPS or FedEx- and THEY require Next Day Air. That is so expensive, may be cheaper to pay a dealer to mail it for you.

Help any?

skullcrusher 05-11-2010 11:28 PM

There is a sticky somewhere that covers this. I am having trouble finding it.

Most states allow face to face sales instate. No FFL required on either side. Buying from a dealer requires FFL on the part of the dealer. Shipping guns is where it gets a bit sticky. Normally, the firearm needs to be shipped to an FFL holder and then the transaction can happen from there, along with the background check. Most FFL holders charge a transfer fee.

What you lookin to do?

RadioActiV 05-11-2010 11:29 PM

That's great info!:D Thank you!

RadioActiV 05-11-2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skullcrusher (Post 283734)
There is a sticky somewhere that covers this. I am having trouble finding it.

Most states allow face to face sales instate. No FFL required on either side. Buying from a dealer requires FFL on the part of the dealer. Shipping guns is where it gets a bit sticky. Normally, the firearm needs to be shipped to an FFL holder and then the transaction can happen from there, along with the background check. Most FFL holders charge a transfer fee.

What you lookin to do?

I have an Intratec TEC-DC9 that I'm wanting to sell. I was just gathering all the info I need in case it sells online instead of in state.

c3shooter 05-12-2010 04:21 AM

If selling in an on-line auction, suggest you include wording to the effect of "I am not a FFL, be certain that your recieving FFL will accept from a non-FFL, with a copy of my driver's license." While not against the law, SOME FFLS balk at receiving from anyone not a FFL. The recieving FL DOES need some ID from you, so that he has info to enter the gun into HIS received records (FFLS have to maintain a "bound volume" of "acquistions and dispostions")

canebrake 05-12-2010 07:19 PM

This is sticky worthy.

Thanks C3 et. all.

sigp250 05-31-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 283732)
FFL= Federal firearms License. Most commonly, an 01FFL (Dealer) or 03 FFL (Collector). When the ownership of a firearm is transferred ACROSS A STATE LINE, the firearm must be RECEIVED by a FFL holder. The FFL can then transfer the firearm to a resident of that state. Example- neither you nor I have a FFL. You want to buy the M1 Carbine I own. I'm in VA, you're in... well wherever you are that is not Virginia. We agree on a price, you send me money. You have a dealer send me a copy of his license, or at least gives me his name, address, and license number (which I can verify on the ATF website) I mail the carbine to HIM. When he gets it, he calls you- you go to his shop, do the same paperwork as if you were buying the gun from him. You pay him for his time, take your carbine, go home.

Now there are exceptions for inheritance, etc, but this covers 99% of the time. You do not have to have a FFL to ship, only to receive. Transfer WITHIN a state, no FFL required. Yes, you can MAIL a rifle or shotgun. Only a DEALER or MANUFACTURER can MAIL a handgun (not even a collector can mail a handgun- we got left out of the wording of the regulation) NON DEALERS can only ship a handgun by common carrier, such as UPS or FedEx- and THEY require Next Day Air. That is so expensive, may be cheaper to pay a dealer to mail it for you.

Help any?

Good explanation except a clarification for you. As you know, you can use USPS to ship a rifle or shotgun. Handguns can be shipped by 01-FFL's via USPS as you mentioned. Handguns may ship by two day air don't let UPS or FedEx tell you otherwise. With shipping discounts UPS and FedEx can be competitive with USPS Priority mail.

For the OP, several states are now allowing purchase of long guns from contiguous states. Goggle for your state firearms statues. You will need to be 21 to purchase a handgun and 18 for a long gun.

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sar82007 05-18-2013 04:38 AM

Non FFL to FFL Shotgun Transfer
 
"If selling in an on-line auction, suggest you include wording to the effect of "I am not a FFL, be certain that your recieving FFL will accept from a non-FFL, with a copy of my driver's license." While not against the law, SOME FFLS balk at receiving from anyone not a FFL. The recieving FL DOES need some ID from you, so that he has info to enter the gun into HIS received records (FFLS have to maintain a "bound volume" of "acquistions and dispostions")"

So there is no law against receiving guns from non-FFL I don't know why my FFL doesn't accept firearms from non-FFLs. They said, "that they were going to have to turn it into the ATF." "And they said getting my money back wasn't their problem." Is sending a non-FFL gun back to the ATF true or are they just saying that to steal my gun. But the FFL down the street will accept a firearm from a non-FFL. What is really happening is this a shake down by my FFL? Or do they really send it to the ATF?


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