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Originally Posted by ryevick

this may be the round i was thinking of but i'm not sure... they banned talons i thought... not a voluntary thing...

Yeah. Black talon along with the others I mentioned, Ranger T and PB1's, all expand to expose 6 razor sharp points that can cut you just messing around with them. From what I read Winchester pulled them after A LOT of media outcry.

As for some states not allowing the carry of hollow point bullets, I only have one question. Why the heck would they do that? Isn't the point of hollow points to stop the threat like others have said and also prevent over penetration.

[c3shooter]

New Jersey does not permit you to CARRY hollow point ammo (matter of fact, they don't let you CARRY much of anything) if you are not an LEO.

Black Talons were not banned. The company withdrew the name. Their SXT round is the same thing without the black coating.

HANDGUN ammo that is illegal to SELL is ammo designed to penetrate body armor. That included KTW ammo, French Arcanes, etc. The fact that a box is marked LE Only means nothing.

You are in Georgia. Only armor piercing HANDGUN ammo cannot be sold there. Walk into LGS, look at what they have for sale. It is legal there.

[locutus]

The ban on AP handgun ammo is federal, not state.

Wyoming has no laws on ammo of any kind.

The ONLY "illegal" ammo in most states is that AP which is federally banned.

"LE only" ammo is factory policy, Not law.

This ammo is +P+ (High pressure) so the factory tries to keep it in LE hands. LEOs use modern handguns. They don't want some ignorant duphus shooting it in his WW1 Glisenti

[ryevick]

Originally Posted by locutus

This ammo is +P+ (High pressure) so the factory tries to keep it in LE hands.

it's actually available in non + ... that's what i was looking for but not everyone sells all "formats" of it...

[Vikingdad]

Originally Posted by c3shooter

New Jersey does not permit you to CARRY hollow point ammo (matter of fact, they don't let you CARRY much of anything) if you are not an LEO.

Black Talons were not banned. The company withdrew the name. Their SXT round is the same thing without the black coating.

HANDGUN ammo that is illegal to SELL is ammo designed to penetrate body armor. That included KTW ammo, French Arcanes, etc. The fact that a box is marked LE Only means nothing.

You are in Georgia. Only armor piercing HANDGUN ammo cannot be sold there. Walk into LGS, look at what they have for sale. It is legal there.

Back when the Black Talons were readily available the media called them "cop killer" bullets as they somehow got the (incorrect) idea that the black coating was Teflon and would allow the bullets to slip right through Police body armor like sh!t through a goose.

I think Black Talons were actually banned in CA.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by Vikingdad

Back when the Black Talons were readily available the media called them "cop killer" bullets as they somehow got the (incorrect) idea that the black coating was Teflon and would allow the bullets to slip right through Police body armor like sh!t through a goose.

I think Black Talons were actually banned in CA.

yep!!

So Winchester stopped using the black coating and sold that same Ammo with a shiny gold look as Ranger "T" and it made the doophus lib-turds happy!!

I love it!

[robocop10mm]

Originally Posted by ryevick

this may be the round i was thinking of but i'm not sure... they banned talons i thought... not a voluntary thing...

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!! Don't believe the BS spouted by some imbecile at your local gun store. Black Talons were not, are not and have never been illegal (outside of Communist New Jersey).

The dumb azzes in the news media made such a stink about the BT's that Winchester redesigned (with out the black coating), repackaged and continued to sell the EXACT same ammo.

LE marked ammo is legal to own/carry (outside of New Jersey). It is mostly a marketing ploy.