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Old 09-15-2013, 02:10 PM   #61
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They have to issue it to you even if you have a criminal record or similar. ?
Do you, as a law abiding citizen have to jump through hoops to get a CCL? Can you even get one?

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I would be surprised if you were surprised by anything that Snowden revealed. American civilians are under more control and surveillance by your government now ever before. PS That won't change when Obama leaves the white house no matter who gets in.
Did Snowden reveal what many already knew? Yes. Are we just going to lay down and allow the government to do that without a fight? No.

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Did you miss the bit where I said that no one was arguing that firearms controls were stricter in the UK and most of Europe than America.
Did you miss the bit where your still arguing over the issue? (take your first paragraph of your last post as an example)
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Where do you get this condition of virtual serfdom from. Most Americans follow the laws just like most do in the UK. Does that make Americans serfs. If being a law abiding citizen makes you a serf then I must be just like most Americans.
Obedience to autocratic or overbearing or despotic laws is exactly what makes a serf. Those who refuse to obey their tyrannical (statist) rulers are called something else. Obedience to the law says exactly nothing about whether you are, in fact, a serf. Or are on you way.

I suggest you read: "Road to Serfdom" before your next sermon. It can be a sneaky process.
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Do you, as a law abiding citizen have to jump through hoops to get a CCL? Can you even get one?
That didn't answer my question. Some can not all and no training is required unlike America.

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Are we just going to lay down and allow the government to do that without a fight? No
What fighting is happening to change what Snowden revealed.
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Did you miss the bit where your still arguing over the issue?
Firearms laws are less strict in America than most European countries fact that's common knowledge.
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That didn't answer my question. Some can not all and no training is required unlike America.

What fighting is happening to change what Snowden revealed.
Firearms laws are less strict in America than most European countries fact that's common knowledge.
different states have different requirements when it comes to gun carrying. some states don't require anything more than being able to legally buy a gun to carry. some do have training requirements that need ti be passed to carry.

some states are different in how they allow carrying a gun and in the issueing of permits as well. some state have open and concealed carry, and some only one or the other and not both.
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different states have different requirements when it comes to gun carrying. some states don't require anything more than being able to legally buy a gun to carry. some do have training requirements that need ti be passed to carry.
That's what I point out here when they are talking about American firearms laws different states different laws. The same goes for the UK different regions different laws.
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This was a pleasing read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10307611/Shooting-can-help-boost-childrens-education-head-says.html

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This was a pleasing read.
As you know most of the newspapers are anti-gun in the UK and most of the population either don't care or are anti-gun. Its just what I would expect to see in the British press.
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It's not what I'd expect in our press?. "Guns are bad, M'kay?" articles sure but this one is pretty good I thought.

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The british are so busy enforcing major crimes that burglars and petty thieves are just given a warning. No trial, no rehab, just a warning. Gun laws are working well in Britain.

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It's not what I'd expect in our press?. "Guns are bad, M'kay?" articles sure but this one is pretty good I thought
Reading it again the paper was quite neutral, not saying it was good or bad. learning to shoot is in a lot of private schools its good to see it in a state school as well.

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The british are so busy enforcing major crimes that burglars and petty thieves are just given a warning. No trial, no rehab, just a warning. Gun laws are working well in Britain.
I am not sure what that has to do with gun laws.
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