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Old 09-14-2013, 12:30 AM   #31
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didn't we whoop the British? like twice!
And saved their butts from Germany twice.
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And saved their butts from Germany twice.
ain't it funny how they got their butts spanked for sticking their noses into things they shouldn't have in the first place, then needed us to pull their butts out of the ringer!

thank goodness there are no British ancestors in my family!
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So if someone in America had a gun illegally and shot someone in the back with it there would problems with the law get real.

Again I haveint a clue what you are talking about.

It wasint a problem for me it was a problem for the jury. PS doint try and tell me what value I put on human you know nothing about me.
Tell me, is the queen protected by guards with billy clubs or Guns? How bout your people???

It was your words I was pointing to not mine. I meant no disrespect, just your first insight had to do with the guy protecting himself with an Illegal gun made him wrong somehow!

Shooting someone in the back is not nice but if your invading my home, it may be the least of your concerns. Invade My castle, My Guns will Blare until your body is limp and still other than the occasional twitching as it finally becomes inanimate and lifeless!
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Tell me, is the queen protected by guards with billy clubs or Guns? How bout your people???
Yes just the same as VIP-S are guarded in most countries including America.

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It was your words I was pointing to not mine. I meant no disrespect, just your first insight had to do with the guy protecting himself with an Illegal gun made him wrong somehow!
I was pointing out what happened things that are left out by some commentators. He wasn't found guilty by a jury because he had an illegal firearm but because he used excessive force. The fact that he used an illegal firearm probably didn't help his case. Getting into trouble for using excessive force is not unique to the UK. I am sure shooting someone in the back when they were trying to get away would get you into trouble in some American states.

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Martin evidentially shot three times towards the intruders (once when they were in the stairwell and twice more when they were trying to flee through the window of an adjacent ground floor room). Barras was hit - fatally - in the back and both sustained gunshot injuries to their legs. Both escaped through the window but Barras died at the scene
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English law permits one person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used
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On this occasion the defence also submitted evidence that Martin was diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder exacerbated by depression and that his paranoia was specifically directed at anyone intruding into his home. This submission was accepted by the Court of Appeal and, on the grounds of diminished responsibility,
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ain't it funny how they got their butts spanked for sticking their noses into things they shouldn't have in the first place, then needed us to pull their butts out of the ringer
Sticking their noses into things they shouldn't have in the first place. That's a bit rich coming form an American.

U.S./So. Korea fights China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
IRAN 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

GUATEMALA 1954 Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
EGYPT 1956 Nuclear threat, troops Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
LEBANON l958 Troops, naval Army & Marine occupation against rebels.

CHINA l958 Nuclear threat China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
PANAMA 1958 Troops Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
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CUBA l961 Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
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LAOS 1962 Command operation Military buildup during guerrilla war.
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Yes just the same as VIP-S are guarded in most countries including America.

Our VIP's do have armed responders close at hand just like yours but my point, "how bout your people" was really what I was getting at. Not that I wanna depend on help that is a minimum of 15 minutes and possibly an hour or more away from showing up, but my point was that in America, the Police at least show up with fire power in hand, my understanding is very few of your Police force are allowed to carry. When the citizen is in trouble, they need all the help they can get, nightstix arent the kind of help we need.

Those reletively few citizens that do legally own weapons are more equipped to thwart a crime than most of your police force, those that dont are sitting ducks. If I knew the Police would only respond with sticks, I certainly would not wait for them to save my butt.

Lastly, The threat to the crime victim is not eliminated in a crime until its no longer in your presence or stone cold dead and just because the perpetrator was shot in the back doesnt mean they werent still a legitimate threat. If I aim and shoot a gun at someone that is invading my domicile, their are many possible reactions by a criminal that might cause me to shoot and hit them in the back righteously. I do think that the onus is on the courts to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the criminal was not a threat at all and if they broke into a home they dont own, thats pretty hard to prove; their act of invading is a threat until the moment they are in custody of the police or no longer on my property. Until one or both happens, Im weighing the odds in my favor as much as possible.
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America, the Police at least show up with fire power in hand, my understanding is very few of your Police force are allowed to carry.
That's partially correct. The part of the UK live in all police are well armed.

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Those relatively few citizens that do legally own weapons are more equipped
More are armed than you would think. More could be but the majority for whatever reason have no interest in firearms.

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Almost 60,000 members of the public own over 146,000 firearms with the remaining 7,018 legally held guns belonging to serving police and prison officers.

We have analysed detailed information provided on each of the 59,585 people living in Northern Ireland who currently hold firearms licences.
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but for the most part, it was group of ebels that whooped them British!

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but for the most part, it was group of ebels that whooped them British
I thought it was the French with the help of a few locals.

We even sent a few over to help you out.
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In a speech at Springfield, Ohio, on May 11, 1893, William McKinley, Governor of Ohio, later to become the 25th President, and whose ancestors came from Dervock, near Ballymoney, Co. Antrim, said about those Ulster emigrants: "They were the first to proclaim for freedom in these United States; even before Lexington the Scotch Irish blood had been shed for American freedom."
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1. Andrew Jackson. 7th President. 1829 1837. Co. Antrim.

2. James Knox Polk. 11th President. 1845 1849. Co. Londonderry.

3. James Buchanan. 15th President. 1857 1861. Co. Tyrone.

4. Andrew Johnson. 17th President. 1865 1869. Co. Antrim.

5. Ulysses S. Grant. 18th President. 1869 1877. Co. Tyrone.

6. Chester A. Arthur. 21st President. 1881 1885. Co. Antrim.

7. Stephen Grover Cleveland. 22nd & 24th President. 1885 1889,1893 1897.

8. Benjamin Harrison. 23rd 1889 1893. Co. Antrim.

9. William McKinley. 25th 1897 1901. Co. Antrim.

10. Theodore Roosevelt. 26th 1901 1904. Co. Antrim.

11. Thomas Woodrow Wilson. 28th 1913 1921. Co. Tyrone.
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The Scotch-Irish were victims of the English disruption of their lives. The greedy "Royals" displaced the Borenician tribes and banned them to the Colonies. These people were the "Comanches" of Europe and were the most fierce of the American settlers. Many Americans trace their linage to the Protestant Scotch-Irish.
It is said, if a traveler walked West from the coast inland he would find? The English settlers first thing was to build a fine home. The German settlers first thing was build a fine barn. Continue deep into the Southern Mtns. The Scotch-Irish first thing to build was a Whisky Still.

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Yes the Ulster Scots Protestants form Ulster did more than most in the American war of independence.

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Owen Wister in A Square Deal is even more outspoken in support of the truth and in discrediting the lies and half-truths that, even today, are still being voiced by people who are supposed to be respected politicians: "Americans are being told in these days that they owe a debt of support to Irish Independence, because the Irish fought with us in our own struggle for independence. Yes, the Irish did, and we do owe a debt of support. But it was the Orange Irish who fought in our Revolution, and not the Green Irish."
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President Theodore Roosevelt in his History of New York states the truth clearly: "It is a curious fact that in the Revolutionary War, the Germans and Catholic Irish should have furnished the bulk of the auxiliaries (mercenaries) to the regular English soldiers; but the most ardent Americans of all were the( Presbyterian Irish settlers and their descendants.)"
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The Scotch-Irish were victims of the English disruption of their lives. The greedy "Royals" displaced the Borenician tribes and banned them to the Colonies
Most went to America of their free will and were not forced.
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During the years 1717 to 1770 over 250,00 Ulstermen left home with their families to settle in America. There was a constant flow of people crossing the Atlantic from Ulster a flow which at frequent intervals became a torrent. These people did not emigrate solely of their own free will but rather for social and economic reasons.
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