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JWagner 09-07-2013 06:56 PM

How British laws killed off gun ownership
 
It was a long slow process that severely restricted firearms ownership for Brits. And, of course, it has done nothing to inconvenience the criminals.

http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/14013/i-am-tony-martin

Warrior1256 09-07-2013 11:26 PM

Sounds alot like what's happening here, huh?

1911love 09-08-2013 01:30 AM

Good read. I can't believe the dirt bag got less time than the homeowner and the dirt bag was given money to sue the good guy. I've said it before, all the freedom lovers in the UK should come here and we should deport all of our anti-rights people to the UK. Both groups would be happy.

nitestalker 09-08-2013 02:46 AM

Following WWI the Euro leeches "Royals" were being executed in other countries. The Czarist Russian "Royals" met their fate in a cold forest grave. In England their useless expensive even though historically oppressive Royal family was very afraid. The Czarist were cousins. The British people were disarmed in order to protect this notion of rule by birth.:(

Daoust_Nat 09-08-2013 04:02 PM

Rule by birth, Hmmm, doesn't that look like the plan Obummer is trying to walk down? Take away our guns, reduce the size of the military, heavily arm homeland security, retire older military personnel that might now be naive enough to drink his Kool Aide?

For instance take the new voting law in Colorado. You don't have to live in the district to vote, just go and say you intend to live their some time. Bingo. you get registerred and are allowed to vote in that district.

manta 09-08-2013 05:40 PM

The article doesn't tell the full story as usual. One Tony" Martin was in possession of a illegally obtained firearm when he shot the burglars. Martin had his shotgun certificate revoked in 1994 after he found a man on his property and shot a hole in the back of his vehicle. He shot them and (twice in the back) when they were trying to flee through the window something that would get you in trouble in a lot of American stats not just the UK. You are allowed to use reasonable force in the UK to defend yourself shooting people in the back after they are no longer a threat is seen as unreasonable force.

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The Czarist were cousins. The British people were disarmed in order to protect this notion of rule by birth.
The British royal family have no power in the UK to effect firearms laws or any other laws.

1911love 09-08-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by manta (Post 1363898)
The article doesn't tell the full story as usual. One Tony" Martin was in possession of a illegally obtained firearm when he shot the burglars. Martin had his shotgun certificate revoked in 1994 after he found a man on his property and shot a hole in the back of his vehicle. He shot them and (twice in the back) when they were trying to flee through the window something that would get you in trouble in a lot American stats not just the UK. You are allowed to use reasonable force in the UK to defend yourself shooting people in the back after they are no longer a threat is seen as unreasonable force.


Illegally obtained firearm bc his shotgun certificate was revoked? Progressive BS IMO. Shot them in the back is a prob for you? They were in his home! Newsflash, in most US states if they are in your home it doesn't matter where you shoot them. Would you really take a chance when your home is invaded and your life threatened all to appear to the "authorities" as the one who took the moral high ground??? Besides, I see nothing immoral about shooting an intruder in the back, balls, face, armpit, etc. Wake up.

manta 09-08-2013 08:19 PM

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Illegally obtained firearm bc his shotgun certificate was revoked? Progressive BS IMO.
So if you shot someone in the back in America with an illegally owned firearm if you were a felon for example that would be OK. The authorities would not have a problem with that. :rolleyes:
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most US states
You said it most us states. Is that not what I said.

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you in trouble in a lot of American states not
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Besides, I see nothing immoral about shooting an intruder in the back, balls, face, armpit, etc. Wake up.
Good for you. There are laws in America and the UK when it comes to using deadly force. You don't have to follow them as long as you are willing to face the consciences if you don't.

Axxe55 09-08-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by manta (Post 1364287)
So if you shot someone in the back in America with an illegally owned firearm if you were a felon for example that would be OK. The authorities would not have a problem with that. :rolleyes:
You said it most us states. Is that not what I said.



Good for you. There are laws in America and the UK when it comes to using deadly force. You don't have to follow them as long as you are willing to face the consciences if you don't.

but if we follow the example of the UK, Aulstralia and other countries, then it puts more power in the hands of the criminals and makes criminals out of LAC's who would use force to defende themselves.

not an attractive option IMO. why reward a criminal for committing a violent act in the first place? does that seem right to you?

manta 09-08-2013 08:36 PM

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but if we follow the example of the UK, Aulstralia and other countries, then it puts more power in the hands of the criminals and makes criminals out of LAC's who would use force to defend themselves.
Not if they are innocent homeowners defending their property. In this case he used a shotgun that he had illegally. You don't have to like the laws but if you break them then you have to face the consciences. You can use force to defend yourself including deadly force in the UK. But shooting someone in the back with an illegal obtained firearm when they are running away will get you in trouble not just in the UK I think.


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