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noproblems 11-17-2011 06:05 PM

House approves national concealed carry gun bill.
 
WASHINGTON – A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday.
The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it.

The Democratic-controlled Senate has no parallel bill. But two years ago, GOP Sens. John Thune of South Dakota and David Vitter of Louisiana nearly succeeded in attaching a similar measure to a larger bill.
Under the House legislation, people with a concealed carry permit in one state could carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons.
While states have various standards for issuing such permits, currently only Illinois and the District of Columbia prohibit the concealed carrying of weapons.
"The Second Amendment is a fundamental right to bear arms that should not be constrained by state boundary lines," said GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
The bill's chief co-sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., said states should consider concealed carry permits no differently from driver's licenses recognized by all states. He noted that many states already have reciprocity agreements with other states.
The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said.
Democratic opponents said the bill would constitute a "race to the bottom," with states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards.
"It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. He noted that some states require training for permit holders, or deny permits to those under 21 or who sell drugs to minors, commit sex offenses or are involved in domestic violence.
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the measure would allow states with tough requirements, such as New York and California, "to allow in concealed carry gun-toting people from states, such as Florida, which repeatedly have given dangerous people licenses to carry."
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote.
The administration has not yet taken an official position on the bill.
Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.
There hasn't been much legislative action on firearms issues this year. A spending bill that the House is expected to vote on this week would bar the Justice Department from consolidating firearms sales records or maintaining information on people who have passed firearms background checks.
The chief sponsors of the concealed weapon measure, Stearns and Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C., said their proposal would not create a federal licensing system but merely require states to honor one another's carry permits.
People who are unable to get a permit in their home state would not be able to carry a concealed weapon in their home state by getting a permit in another state. A state's ban on carrying concealed weapons in places such as bars, sporting events or state parks would apply to nonresidents as well as residents.
Thirty-five states have "shall issue" permit laws that usually require states to issue permits to those who meet legal requirements. Ten others have "may issue" or discretionary permit laws. Vermont, Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming do not require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews#ixzz1dzVRmIOS

IGETEVEN 11-17-2011 06:16 PM

"HOOAH!" :cool:

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Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote.

"SUCK IT!" :rolleyes:

texaswoodworker 11-17-2011 06:26 PM

Alright. Thats fantastic.

tellmaster207 11-17-2011 06:30 PM

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Do I smell a chance for O'bummer to get some of those highly sought after Independent voters?

There is also another informative tread started by == opaww, National Right To Carry

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PanBaccha 11-17-2011 06:37 PM

Well, I sure would like for it to be nationwide. Including NYC!! :cool:

NC1760 11-17-2011 06:38 PM

Hr822
 
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote.

...And exactly how are those gun control laws working for you guys up there??? :rolleyes:

PanBaccha 11-17-2011 06:42 PM

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...And exactly how are those gun control laws working for you guys up there???
Good point.

noproblems 11-17-2011 07:03 PM

Thought you guys might like this. I'm amazed that someone who's supposed to be a leader would sell out for re election. Not that I'm complaining I love the idea but I've been pro gun my whole life not just for a few months so more people would like me.

Bigcountry02 11-22-2011 02:59 AM

I will be the negative rat; but, I do not like the Federal Government gets into states CCW. It might seem as a good idea; but, once the feds start meddling with CCW, they will not sit back in the rocking chair and enjoy the sunset. They will continue for additional licenses, costs, etc.

Just remember the Big "O's" comment some months ago "We're working on it (Gun Control) under the radar".

Remember watch the right hand and the here comes the left with the knife!

The NRA has been pushing this creature. What does the NRA have to gain?

The GOA has been screaming, this bill is wrong, it should not be passed!

Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill Passes House - Gun Owners Of America

Representative Justin Amash (R-MI), who voted against the bill, addressed this last point in a statement, calling H.R. 822 an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing.

Another freshman Representative, Rob Woodall (R-GA), noted that the right to carry a concealed firearm is already protected by the Second Amendment.

If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed weapon from state to state to state, I dont need another federal law, Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.

I dont believe the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights to allow me to shoot targets [or] hunt for deer and turkey. I think the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights so that I could defend my freedom against an overbearing federal government.

Durangokid 11-22-2011 04:39 AM

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I am not going to sign that gun bill no way. That would be bad for the health of the nation.:confused:


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