[Rick1967]

Business owners have rights too. Smoking is not illegal in hotels. But I have chosen to make my hotel all non smoking. Smokers often boycott me. That is their right. And it is also mine. I do not frequent business' with a no guns policy. That is their right. And it is mine not to patronize them.

By the way 80% of hotel fire are started by smokers. You are much safer to stay at a non smoking hotel. Just go outside to smoke.

[Moby]

Some very good points made in these posts.

1. Concealed means concealed.
The original post over at Texas CHL Forums stated the manager saw the bulge of a firearm (called "printing") and should not have.
2. In Texas a sign must be of legal size, content, color etc to apply.
That being said I ignore improper signs as I choose to "follow the law" to the letter before I'll give up my constitutional rights. If it's legally written in "Dog ****" I'll follow it. However I'll avoid such places if I can. An example is at a medical building (not a hospital) where I see one of my doctors there is a "non conforming" sign. I ignore it as I must go in there. But if the same sign was on a restaurant I'll ask for the manager and tell him why I will not go it. Then I post every where so other 2nd
amendment supporters can make their own decision about supporting that business.
3. The intent of the post was to inform others so they may make a decision to patronize Hooters or not. I will not patronize any establishment that steps on my rights as a licensed, law abiding citizen. I hope others will choose the same. When there is an active shooter where CHL holders are time and time again they have been engaged and stopped. Something we should all support.

As for a business owners “rights”. I am torn on this. I hope for a law in Texas that stops businesses from stepping on constitutional rights. Just as there are laws forbidding discrimination against color (something a business owner cannot do) , I hope for laws against discriminating against those that choose to have the means to protect themselves legally.

[Eturnsdale]

I liked your post except for the last part. The moment the government steps in and tells business owners that they can not choose to put up no gun signs is the moment that what is left of a property owner's rights slips away. I do not like that there are businesses out there that have these signs up, but it is their right to do so and I will not attempt to change it by rule of law. Instead I do my best to make it financially wise to take those signs down.

[c3shooter]

1. Laws vary from state to state. What is legal in one will get you an unplanned vacation in another. Know the laws in the place where YOU are, and do not assume they are the same everywhere.

2. Their business, their call. My money, my call.

[Moby]

Eturnsdale your opion is so noted.
However I disagree, just as a business owner cannot step on the consitutional rights of a person of color or religion, I do not want my consitutional rights stepped on.

There is a misconception about the rights business owners have. I am a business owner. In a food estabolishment I can say "no shoes, no shirt, no service" OR I could allow serving food to no shirts and no shoes. I could not discriminate against constitutional rights.

The difference is businesses are typically "public" places. NOT private property. This is a very big difference. It's not your home or your backyard.

I would like to see a national consitutional carry law protecting my rights just as skin color is protected.

Regardless it is simply my wish and something not ever likely to happen.
In fact if I had my way EVERY man would be requiered to have a CHL.
But no one is likely to make me KING.
But brother if they did would I be making some changes fast! LOL

[Eturnsdale]

Originally Posted by Moby

Eturnsdale your opion is so noted.
However I disagree, just as a business owner cannot step on the consitutional rights of a person of color or religion, I do not want my consitutional rights stepped on.

There is a misconception about the rights business owners have. I am a business owner. In a food estabolishment I can say "no shoes, no shirt, no service" OR I could allow serving food to no shirts and no shoes. I could not discriminate against constitutional rights.

The difference is businesses are typically "public" places. NOT private property. This is a very big difference. It's not your home or your backyard.

I would like to see a national consitutional carry law protecting my rights just as skin color is protected.

Regardless it is simply my wish and something not ever likely to happen.
In fact if I had my way EVERY man would be requiered to have a CHL.
But no one is likely to make me KING.
But brother if they did would I be making some changes fast! LOL

It is actually private property (at least as defined by law in every state Ive been to). And the whole thing about not being able to refuse service to a person of color,,,,, You can choose not to be armed. You can not choose your race. There is where the difference lay.

And we already have a national constitutional carry law. It just isn't adhered to.

[TDS92A]

I will add this;

In the state of Florida, it is illegal to carry a firearm into a business that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. That would cover Hooters, T.G.I.Friday's and just about any other restaurant in that genre.

I frequent those restaurants, but I am not unarmed.

[HOSSFLY]

Originally Posted by TDS92A

I will add this;

In the state of Florida, it is illegal to carry a firearm into a business that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. That would cover Hooters, T.G.I.Friday's and just about any other restaurant in that genre.

I frequent those restaurants, but I am not unarmed.

Then you don't mind breaking the law-- Where do you draw the line?

[Moby]

Here in Texas a restaurant that sells alcohol but makes 51% of it's money from food can have CHL holders in it. Any bar making more money from booz than food must put up a 51% sign and we cannot carry in it.

Originally Posted by TDS92A

I will add this;

In the state of Florida, it is illegal to carry a firearm into a business that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. That would cover Hooters, T.G.I.Friday's and just about any other restaurant in that genre.

I frequent those restaurants, but I am not unarmed.

[Eturnsdale]

Originally Posted by HOSSFLY

Then you don't mind breaking the law-- Where do you draw the line?

For me, if I can go someplace else to accomplish the same goal and carry legally I will do so. If not,,, I am never unarmed.