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Old 11-30-2011, 06:33 PM   #31
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Unintended consequences.... Read it. Sometimes I think John Ross had a vision of the future or something.
+100! Outstanding book!
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:38 PM   #32
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hmmm missing fingers?? I guess that would make my (deceased) grandfather (a wwII vet) suspect. Lost 3 fingers in an industrial accident.

I guess that makes me VERY suspect as i have more than 1 gun, and more than 1 round of ammo. A freezer full of food and pantry. Not a prepper, but we only grocery shop once a month or so.

Basically what your Govt is saying is that if you believe in the constitution as it is written and the rights contained therein you are a TERRORIST!

The Govt still fears (slightly) that worn out old rag known as the constitution and the facts that THEY have overstepped THEIR bonds!!
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:40 PM   #33
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Sounds to me like the government is already very afraid.

There's enough going on these days that is more than enough to indicate some very weird stuff is happening and it's not good. That's putting it as mildly as possible.
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Sounds to me like the government is already very afraid.

There's enough going on these days that is more than enough to indicate some very weird stuff is happening and it's not good. That's putting it as mildly as possible.
Yep, methinks the pot they (the big gubmint) has been simmering for 3 decades is about to blow the lid right off!

Get ready boys and girls, i think soon we're in for a wild ride!

Mayhaps the Dec. 2012 prediction has some merit to it!!!
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I didn't read the full 680 pages, but I did a search for the word arrest and found this:


‘ 2672. Protection of property
9 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Defense shall
10 protect the buildings, grounds, and property that are
11 under the jurisdiction, custody, or control of the Depart-
12 ment of Defense and the persons on that property.
13 ‘‘(b) OFFICERS AND AGENTS.—
14 ‘‘(1) DESIGNATION.—(A) The Secretary may
15 designate military or civilian personnel of the De-
16 partment of Defense as officers and agents to per-
17 form the functions of the Secretary under subsection
18 (a), including, with regard to civilian officers and
19 agents, duty in areas outside the property specified
20 in that subsection to the extent necessary to protect
21 that property and persons on that property.
22 ‘‘(B) A designation under subparagraph (A)
23 may be made by individual, by position, by installa-
24 tion, or by such other category of personnel as the
25 Secretary determines appropriate.
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1 ‘‘(C) In making a designation under subpara-
2 graph (A) with respect to any category of personnel,
3 the Secretary shall specify each of the following:
4 ‘‘(i) The personnel or positions to be in-
5 cluded in the category.
6 ‘‘(ii) Which authorities provided for in
7 paragraph (2) may be exercised by personnel in
8 that category.
9 ‘‘(iii) In the case of civilian personnel in
10 that category—
11 ‘‘(I) which authorities provided for in
12 paragraph (2), if any, are authorized to be
13 exercised outside the property specified in
14 subsection (a); and
15 ‘‘(II) with respect to the exercise of
16 any such authorities outside the property
17 specified in subsection (a), the cir-
18 cumstances under which coordination with
19 law enforcement officials outside of the De-
20 partment of Defense should be sought in
21 advance.
22 ‘‘(D) The Secretary may make a designation
23 under subparagraph (A) only if the Secretary deter-
24 mines, with respect to the category of personnel to
25 be covered by that designation, that—
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1 ‘‘(i) the exercise of each specific authority
2 provided for in paragraph (2) to be delegated to
3 that category of personnel is necessary for the
4 performance of the duties of the personnel in
5 that category and such duties cannot be per-
6 formed as effectively without such authorities;
7 and
8 ‘‘(ii) the necessary and proper training for
9 the authorities to be exercised is available to
10 the personnel in that category.
11 ‘‘(2) POWERS.—Subject to subsection (h) and
12 to the extent specifically authorized by the Sec-
13 retary, while engaged in the performance of official
14 duties pursuant to this section, an officer or agent
15 designated under this subsection may—
16 ‘‘(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations
17 for the protection of persons and property;
18 ‘‘(B) carry firearms;
19 ‘‘(C) make arrests—
20 ‘‘(i) without a warrant for any offense
21 against the United States committed in the
22 presence of the officer or agent; or
23 ‘‘(ii) for any felony cognizable under
24 the laws of the United States if the officer
25 or agent has reasonable grounds to believe
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1 that the person to be arrested has com-
2 mitted or is committing a felony;
3 ‘‘(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued
4 under the authority of the United States; and
5 ‘‘(E) conduct investigations, on and off the
6 property in question, of offenses that may have
7 been committed against property under the ju-
8 risdiction, custody, or control of the Depart-
9 ment of Defense or persons on such property.
10 ‘‘(c) REGULATIONS.—
11 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may pre-
12 scribe regulations, including traffic regulations, nec-
13 essary for the protection and administration of prop-
14 erty under the jurisdiction, custody, or control of the
15 Department of Defense and persons on that prop-
16 erty. The regulations may include reasonable pen-
17 alties, within the limits prescribed in paragraph (2),
18 for violations of the regulations. The regulations
19 shall be posted and remain posted in a conspicuous
20 place on the property to which they apply.
21 ‘‘(2) PENALTIES.—A person violating a regula-
22 tion prescribed under this subsection shall be fined
23 under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 30
24 days, or both.
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1 ‘‘(d) LIMITATION ON DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY.—
2 The authority of the Secretary of Defense under sub-
3 sections (b) and (c) may be exercised only by the Secretary
4 or Deputy Secretary of Defense.
5 ‘‘(e) DISPOSITION OF PERSONS ARRESTED.—A per-
6 son who is arrested pursuant to authority exercised under
7 subsection (b) may not be held in a military confinement
8 facility, other than in the case of a person who is subject
9 to chapter 47 of this title (the Uniform Code of Military
10 Justice).
11 ‘‘(f) FACILITIES AND SERVICES OF OTHER AGEN-
12 CIES.—In implementing this section, when the Secretary
13 determines it to be economical and in the public interest,
14 the Secretary may utilize the facilities and services of Fed-
15 eral, State, tribal, and local law enforcement agencies,
16 with the consent of those agencies, and may reimburse
17 those agencies for the use of their facilities and services.
18 ‘‘(g) AUTHORITY OUTSIDE FEDERAL PROPERTY.—
19 For the protection of property under the jurisdiction, cus-
20 tody, or control of the Department of Defense and persons
21 on that property, the Secretary may enter into agreements
22 with Federal agencies and with State, tribal, and local
23 governments to obtain authority for civilian officers and
24 agents designated under this section to enforce Federal
25 laws and State, tribal, and local laws concurrently with
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1 other Federal law enforcement officers and with State,
2 tribal, and local law enforcement officers.
3 ‘‘(h) ATTORNEY GENERAL APPROVAL.—The powers
4 granted pursuant to subsection (b)(2) to officers and
5 agents designated under subsection (b)(1) shall be exer-
6 cised in accordance with guidelines approved by the Attor-
7 ney General.
8 ‘‘(i) LIMITATION ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—
9 Nothing in this section shall be construed—
10 ‘‘(1) to preclude or limit the authority of any
11 Federal law enforcement agency;
12 ‘‘(2) to restrict the authority of the Secretary of
13 Homeland Security or of the Administrator of Gen-
14 eral Services to promulgate regulations affecting
15 property under the custody and control of that Sec-
16 retary or the Administrator, respectively;
17 ‘‘(3) to expand or limit section 21 of the Inter-
18 nal Security Act of 1950 (50 U.S.C. 797);
19 ‘‘(4) to affect chapter 47 of this title; or
20 ‘‘(5) to restrict any other authority of the Sec-
21 retary of Defense or the Secretary of a military de-
22 partment.’’.
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Section 1032(b)(1) exempts US Citizens and legal aliens.


Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
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Section 1032(b)(1) exempts US Citizens and legal aliens.
For now...
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As much as it pains me to say this the ACLU is all over this and Obama says he will veto. Goes to show the true colors of McCain, but I'm sure most know that.
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Section 1032(b)(1) exempts US Citizens and legal aliens.


Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Very good. Though I still oppose the bill. It's unnecessary legislation. We already have military powers set up to respond to a domestic threat.
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I found this other site with 30 signs that the good old USA is being turned into a Giant Prison.

Some reading! It ain't looking good and the political elite that have been sitting in D.C. do not care!

I keep seeing flashbacks of the movie 1984


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