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Old 03-04-2013, 11:03 PM   #81
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Well, the debate over security within the shools was solved in 1972 by Palm Beach County schools. We have armed police in the schools and never a major problem. It is called being proactive
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I'm all for armed teachers in schools. No matter how crazy someone is they are still coherent enough to attack a place where they know no one is armed.
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is having teachers in school carrying concealed the end all answer to the problems of violence in the schools? no it isn't, but it's a positive step in the right direction.

there will always be a deranged individual that flys under the radar and will go on killing spree. i think having either armed guards or teachers in schools is a proactive measure. at least it means we are not just sitting back and doing nothing about the safety of the children. there will never be an end all answer to this or many things we face in life.

Update: the Cayuga ISD in Anderson County, Texas did pass the proposal to allow CC in their schools by teachers.
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there will never be an end all answer to this or many things we face in life.

And that's the point that neither side seems to understand.

There is no "once and for all" fix to this, or any other major problem.
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And that's the point that neither side seems to understand.

There is no "once and for all" fix to this, or any other major problem.
exactly my point! having teachers carrying is just part of the solution, not the only solution. like i said, i see it as a positive step in the right direction.

IIRC, it was WebFos that said earlier that these professionals were not seeing the problems when other less qualified people were. i think that is quite possibly true to some degree. many of them may see the problem, but may not feel there any chance of changing the situation and just let it go on. maybe they have seen these types of problem children and are to the point they feel there is nothing that they can do so they just turn a blind eye and hope for the best.

people need to allow for some measure of reporting problem children that exhibit emotional or mental problems, or anger issues. bullys and those bullied are also at risk of going to extremes. the children need to be heard as well and they need to be listened to when they feel there is a problem. these teachers are seeing these children every day. the children need to feel that they are being heard and listened to when they have problems. and someone needs to take care of those problems before they get out of control.

teaching isn't just about teaching spelling, math and English, but also how to deal with social issues and how to function in the real world. schools need to teach social values, how to carry your self as an accountable person who can solve problems in life.
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Axx55 what you say is correct. The problem with identifying problem individuals any where in society is the legal description. This was an accepted practice before 1960 and considered responsible.

The legal system now how ever sees this not as responsible but as discrimination. The national debate is driven by class and collectivism it would be impossible to change.
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Axx55 what you say is correct. The problem with identifying problem individuals any where in society is the legal description. This was an accepted practice before 1960 and considered responsible.

The legal system now how ever sees this not as responsible but as discrimination. The national debate is driven by class and collectivism it would be impossible to change.
too much emphasis is placed on being PC these days. for me it's about being held accountable for ones actions and behavior. simple as that. someone does something wrong, they need to be held accountable and need to understand they will have to face the consequences for those actions. until such a time comes, we will always have these problems and more so i fear.
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It would certainly help if the "guidance counselors" would do their jobs. They should be acquainted with every kid in the grades they work with. They could interview every kid and identify kids with problems or attitudes that may lead to trouble. Then they should have a legal obligation to get that kid, the parents, and some kind of social worker involved in helping the kid. But too many "guidance counselors" just want to hang out with the cute little rich girls and the achievers, and avoid the kids who really need help.
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It would certainly help if the "guidance counselors" would do their jobs. They should be acquainted with every kid in the grades they work with. They could interview every kid and identify kids with problems or attitudes that may lead to trouble. Then they should have a legal obligation to get that kid, the parents, and some kind of social worker involved in helping the kid. But too many "guidance counselors" just want to hang out with the cute little rich girls and the achievers, and avoid the kids who really need help.
I completely agree. It was not all that long ago when I was in HS and I met with my counselor maybe 3 times throughout the 4 years I was there. I was the "upper middle" student, good grades but not excellent. What really helped me was my commitment to the JROTC program and the desire to go into the Navy. 2 1/2 months more of college and that desire will be fulfilled. Back to the point, counselors are not effective and most schools don't have near enough.
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This is like every other issue which comes up. It is sensationalized and exaggerated but the media, then over complicated by the politicians.
Like I said the probability that an one child, K through 12, will die of a bullet at school is so low it is ridicules, but emotion seem to rule over logic, human nature I guess.
Just let those who will except the responsibility to arm themselves do so and get on down the road.
We can spend billions on 'programs' to arm and harden the schools and the crazies will simply attack a school bus on it's route. Do we start buying 'armored' buses if some idiot shoots at a school bus.
Come back to reality, PLEASE!!!
We do not live in a third world country racked with violence, so why act like we do?????
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