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Old 03-04-2013, 03:41 AM   #71
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Agreed 110% I would personally prefer well trained and EXPERIENCED men and women charged with the task of protecting my child in school vs inexperienced well trained teachers..
Bad things can happen with either but the odds are more in favor of experienced officers of any kind.
I will say armed teachers are better then nothing, which is what we have now.
Retired military and LE could probably be recruited to work 15-20 hours per week as unpaid volunteers.
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The solution may be to simply GET RID OF THE LAW THAT MAKES SCHOOLS GUN-FREE ZONES.

Make it illegal for a STUDENT to bring a gun into the school. If they bring a gun into the school, PUNISH THEM! If they're under-age, MAKE THEIR PARENTS RESPONSIBLE! It's really not hard!

If the nut cases think that the shool may be protected, THEY WON'T BE TEMPTED TO GO THERE!!! Their chances of success would greatly reduced!

There has to be some reason that the Liberals won't put a sign on their lawns stating their homes are gun-free. Why do you think that is? Why do we do that to our schools?

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Schools are government institutions and as such are bound by the Constitution's Second Amendment . Schools therefore have no authority to infringe on the teachers' right to keep and bear arms . The Constitution protects the individual from government action only .

A private company has no Constitutional duty to permit you to speak, assemble, carry a gun etc.

Therefore, allow the school staff to carry guns like other citizens . I am not interested in refuting " Barney Fife " fantasies and imaginary risks .

I don't worship the police or the military and don't think they walk on water . Lately there's been a trend where former Marines suffering PTSD shoot their friends in the back : First Chris Kyle's murder and now it's happened again ---to a victim also named " Kyle " : http://www.swrnn.com/2013/02/25/former-san-diego-cop-allegedly-shoots-friend-then-himself/
The former military and police types could be riskier than the teachers .
Joke : Anyway, with armed teachers, I'm guessing more assignments would be completed on time ( LOL) .

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The solution may be to simply GET RID OF THE LAW THAT MAKES SCHOOLS GUN-FREE ZONES.

Make it illegal for a STUDENT to bring a gun into the school. If they bring a gun into the school, PUNISH THEM! If they're under-age, MAKE THEIR PARENTS RESPONSIBLE! It's really not hard!

If the nut cases think that the shool may be protected, THEY WON'T BE TEMPTED TO GO THERE!!! Their chances of success would greatly reduced!

There has to be some reason that the Liberals won't put a sign on their lawns stating their homes are gun-free. Why do you think that is? Why do we do that to our schools?
Roger that. Irresponsibility & refusing to be accountable for our actions is a huge downfall of our society & if we held everyone accountable for what they do it would salve alot of problems by itself.
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The solution may be to simply GET RID OF THE LAW THAT MAKES SCHOOLS GUN-FREE ZONES.

Make it illegal for a STUDENT to bring a gun into the school. If they bring a gun into the school, PUNISH THEM! If they're under-age, MAKE THEIR PARENTS RESPONSIBLE! It's really not hard!

If the nut cases think that the shool may be protected, THEY WON'T BE TEMPTED TO GO THERE!!! Their chances of success would greatly reduced!

There has to be some reason that the Liberals won't put a sign on their lawns stating their homes are gun-free. Why do you think that is? Why do we do that to our schools?
You know, that would be an EXCELLENT start. If part of the problem is these people shoot up schools because they KNOW there are no guns there, they may not if they know there MAY BE guns there......change the law and see what happens. I bet nothing negative....
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I love these either or arguments. One side is saying if you don't put guns in the schools the poor children will be defenseless. The other side is saying that guns are the only answer to keeping our children safe. Since when does gun=defense? Have you ever heard of safe rooms? How about sally ports and concertina wire? Has anyone bothered to think that defense could mean fortify? You accomplish the goal of keeping our kids safe within the school property, and you don't have rabid 2nd Amendment opinions tearing apart the fabric of the community.

Will it cost money to fortify our schools? Yes. Will it cost money to post police or security guards at the schools? Yes. Will it cost more to arm teachers? Yes. So, taking salaries and benefits, liability insurance, and materials into consideration, which would cost less over 10 years time? Remember, ultimately you as a taxpayer are going to end up paying for it.

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I think it's a great idea to have as many educators and administrators carry as possible. I would feel very comfortable knowing my child would at least have a chance to be protected should the need arise. Of course it's not for everyone but the ability to fend off a threat would greatly decrease the chance for a high number of casualties in the school.

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Everyone understands were responsible for protecting the kids in school but one point they neglect to add is who they are protecting them from? The answer in school shooter cases is undeniably other kids are the biggest threat and always have been. Doesnt matter if your the Bully or the Bullied, both can react very violently and neither is given the appropriate notice they need to keep them from going Postal in schools.

Somehow, these kids fly below the radar up until the moment they go into a school and cause an atrocity so devastating, it causes new laws to be considered. Nobody in their right mind believes these are the first times these "Kids" have done very extreme things, nobody makes mass murder their first foray into the dark side. The kids records get sealed to protect their rights, instead they remove the rights of us that follow the laws!

The records get sealed cause those that shoved the Ritalin down their throats, protected Jr. from the help they needed and the punishments of less than honorable deeds don't want to be outed as not only clueless but also culpable in the end result of failing to control their missives!

This aint new its just gotten worse over the years! These "Kids" are surrounded by Certified "Adults", 5 days a week at the least, 7 if the parents are around. "Nobody saw it coming", BS and BS once more cause thats a lie of biblical proportions that is the root of why kids die for no reason! The Teachers, Guidance Counselors, School Nurse, Dr's and others are trained to recognize early signs of mental distress, they know whos not playing with a full deck, most of us "untrained observers" see it but somehow the Professionals missed it?

Blame the guns, the Movies, the Laws and The NRA, hell blame God for this cruel world but lord knows, dont put the blame on the "Professionals" or the "Kids" Themselves (you know if the school raised the graduation rate they would be claiming the credit for it)! I suppose thats easier anyways; parents raise hell with the school if Jr gets an F, imagine if they were told they were possibly raising a young mass murderer?

If you blame the wrong thing, the indicators will be useless as well! Blame the Gun and a kid with a Marine Corps Shirt becomes a suspect but the one beside him with the I love Satan T-Shirt, Trench-coat and dark verbiage on Ritalin goes unnoticed cause he's a B+ student!

Stuff like this happens and we examine every detail of the crime except the path that led up to it. They say they are protecting the rights of the "Kid" when their Psychological, Sociological and other interactive details of their past remain sealed. Those that we pay to protect, teach, care for medical and mental defect are allowed to remain anonymous, unrepentant and otherwise in place to continue with blinders till the next one happens.

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Any teacher or school staffer, as well as anyone else who qualifies for a ccw should be allowed to carry anywhere and everywhere, including the school. Unfortunately, there are stupid laws that restrict us all unnecessarily. The main additional preparation should be for these people to get together once a month and discuss a plan of action to be used in case of emergency, so they won't be stepping on each other or shooting each other. They need to consider the risks of firing a shot in a classroom when there is another classroom on the other side of the wall behind the perp, for example.

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Doc and Web-Fos make good points.

Armed guards alone are no guarantee. A druggie, or a real psycho, may soak up a full magazine of .45s, center mass, and keep on shooting for 8-12 seconds.

Early detection of the threat is an excellent idea, and safe areas are as well.

There should, of course, be armed guards or employees as well, but they are a last resort.

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