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Old 03-18-2013, 11:16 PM   #141
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That's like what the Catholics do with the priests that don't act right. They just move them so they can do the same at another parish.
Oh, crap!! Don't even go THERE!!
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:47 AM   #142
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I dont think we can make progress discussing generalities.
For instance, I dont want to be sexist but I agree for the most part
that guys can way more easily conceal a firearm than a woman or
at least conceal a more potent ( larger) firearm. Someone said
approx 30 percent of teachers are male and lets just say one third
of them were atheletic. Many of these guys are coaches or gym
teachers and often times principles etc. For certain hi visibility individuals
such as principle and vice principle if male, i would suggest open carry
and being fully aware as was pointed out of possibility of kid grabbing
gun, have the open carrier keep magazine in separate pocket etc.
I dont mind the extra 15 seconds to insert magazine in exchange for
the virtual absolute guarantee that no kid could grab gun and shoot.
No dont get me wrong, I know some women that can out shoot me
and or even beat my @ss but I just dont think I can swallow a woman
doing an open carry... Their fashion mostly prohibits CCW unless
they are wearing sport coat with gun under armpit. For the really
big busted women there are waist bands that hold guns under their
boobs with loose shirts that do pretty well but that is for the
really big girls I think. My point is that no one is talking in terms of
reality here... they are talking philosophically and politically etc.

For the naysayers, I'd like to say that CCW for the women teachers
if they can pull it off is no guarantee but we are no worse off
for them trying. The two outcomes are they could help or they did help
instead of no they could not help if anything ever happens.
For the guys, I would say any male math chemistry or english

Instead of paying $65K per year to post ONE armed guard at a school,
how bout give the teachers who qualify an extra $450 spread over
nine months for two boxes of ammo to be shot at a shooting range
every two months and for depreciation their own personal gun used.
Lets say we were lucky to find ten teachers in a school with 75 teachers.
that would be grand total of $4500 per school year.

Further, I would say any male science, english, math etc teacher could
pull off an open carry if they wanted to but I think we should require them
to keep magazine in pocket. I believe we see lots of detectives and
inspectors and FBI types carrying pistols and we as society accept it.
For me personally, a smallish woman wearing sidearm on belt really stands out and does not look "normal".

Lastly for those on the fence here... Suppose a woman teacher is
concealing a small pistol. We have two possible ouitcomes if something bad
happens.. 1. She can help or she did help
2. She chose not to help.
What I see here is there is a lot of upside but no downside. In the worst case she decides to do nothing.
All I know is that at the recent shooting by Adam Lanza, he was met
at the front door by the principal, the vice principal and the counselor.
He killed two and the counselor fled. If ANY ONE of them had had
a pistol, they possibility could have ended it right there.

We cannot afford to be absolutely secure. that would require
trillions of dollars on armed guards.... but we can get the best bang for the buck by spending just a little with a lot of common sense. Lets LET the people who want to help help. Let the teachers volunteer and we offer
to buy their training ammo and get a form filled out at the shooting range
every two months etc ... maybe even turn in the targets... much like
a qualification that police perform annually etc.
I bet local PTAs might even buy the teachers their guns.... or even
make the guns the property of the school and assign to the teachers
etc.
Just ideas here but we have got to get realistic here about the details
instead of rambling in generalities.

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Old 03-21-2013, 02:58 AM   #143
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I haven't been in school for 40 years, so I don't know anything about what the teachers do or care about. I would think that in any school there would be enough teachers who are interested in firearms, who may carry and may go to the range often. Perhaps with other teachers. If give the opportunity to carry in the classroom I would think a few of them would step up. Any incentive is fine, but let the teachers themselves decide whether to carry or not. If a few of them get together socially I am sure that they will come to some arrangement. Let them form their own method of handling this situation. The school should know who is carrying, but the rest is optional. The big advantage of CCW and this sort of program is that any potential attacker would have no idea who was armed and how many were armed. It only takes one clean shot to stop an attacker. I do believe however that the more the government gets involved in this, the less effective it will be.

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:43 AM   #144
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I haven't been in school for 40 years, so I don't know anything about what the teachers do or care about. I would think that in any school there would be enough teachers who are interested in firearms, who may carry and may go to the range often. Perhaps with other teachers. If give the opportunity to carry in the classroom I would think a few of them would step up. Any incentive is fine, but let the teachers themselves decide whether to carry or not. If a few of them get together socially I am sure that they will come to some arrangement. Let them form their own method of handling this situation. The school should know who is carrying, but the rest is optional. The big advantage of CCW and this sort of program is that any potential attacker would have no idea who was armed and how many were armed. It only takes one clean shot to stop an attacker. I do believe however that the more the government gets involved in this, the less effective it will be.
very well said Missouri! in complete aggreement with your post on this subject.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:19 AM   #145
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You can then also post on the entrances & exits of the school "school secured by armed response team" or somthin along those lines. Show of force usually does it. I believe 80% of crimes stopped with a firearm is without 1 shot fired. We have to end these free fire zones
It is much more than 80%. According to the 2000 National Crime Victimization Survey compiled by the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics, 99.1% of all defensive gun uses are those in which not a single shot was fired.
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