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Old 08-09-2013, 01:56 AM   #51
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I have only known one person who worked for the secret service. He was issued a Sig for primary care and had a Sig for his BUG. I asked him what modification he had made to the weapon.

His answer was simple, "absolutely none."

My brother is LEO and he was issued a Glock. He is not allowed to modify anything on the weapon.

Both said it was the possibility of lawsuits that drove the policy.

Almost all of my guns have had trigger modifications except my LCP. It has nothing to do w lawsuits, I carry it in my pocket and I don't want to "Glock" myself...
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And since it is a civil case, how is the other side going to get your gun?
Their lawyer will subpoena it before the state returns it to you from the evidence locker.
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Head starting to hurt. Thread chasing its tail here.

To stay on topic, does anybody remember that movie about being on trial where Jack Nicholson yelled "You can't handle the truth"? That was cool huh?
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Fine.
Edit: Remember, juries are groups of people not clever enough to get out of jury duty or they are selfless heroes of the community. Better?

My point is, NO ONE knows what might be relevant or precedent setting in the future. There is no shortage of stupidity coming out of the courts. As this country gets more liberal and feeling driven, no one can say that gun mods will never be relevant to the jury verdict. 53% of people reelected the current occupant of the white house. That also 53% of the jury pool. You live in MA, the percentages are much worse that the national average. How confident are you really, that you could get an emotionless, objective & intelligent jury that won't simply despise you for being a gun owner who killed some momma's little angel?
So a blanket statement saying: MODIFICATIONS TO A GUN USED IN SELF DEFENSE CANNOT BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW, is presumptuous at best. It should probably read: Lawful MODIFICATIONS TO A GUN USED IN SELF DEFENSE probably won't/shouldn't/ought to not BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. Pick one.

I agree that stuff like that (mods/reloads, whatever) shouldn't matter. However, I'm not naive enough to assume that they never could. Mods, reloads and such add variables to what would be simple SD incident. IMHO, unneeded variables should be avoided. No one wants to be the unfortunate defendant in a "precedent setting" case, at least not in this context.
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I have only known one person who worked for the secret service. He was issued a Sig for primary care and had a Sig for his BUG. I asked him what modification he had made to the weapon.

His answer was simple, "absolutely none."

My brother is LEO and he was issued a Glock. He is not allowed to modify anything on the weapon.

Both said it was the possibility of lawsuits that drove the policy.

Almost all of my guns have had trigger modifications except my LCP. It has nothing to do w lawsuits, I carry it in my pocket and I don't want to "Glock" myself...
Weird, I just got done shooting with someone who works for a three letter agency, so I asked him about his carry weapon. He complained about the trigger so his armorer did a custom trigger job and hogue grips, also there are a bunch of other mods he can have done. He even showed it to me ( wouldn't let me shoot it ), I guess his agency didn't get the memo???
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Weird, I just got done shooting with someone who works for a three letter agency, so I asked him about his carry weapon. He complained about the trigger so his armorer did a custom trigger job and hogue grips, also there are a bunch of other mods he can have done. He even showed it to me ( wouldn't let me shoot it ), I guess his agency didn't get the memo???
Does his armorer work for the same agency as a specialist who does this for a living? Im guessing agency policy doesnt allow any work to be done other than by authorized personnel.
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Can only be used against you if the DA gets it entered into evidence. If the judge excludes it, neither side can mention it, and if the ADA still mentions it, well, there are a few things that can happen - including a mistrial (as well as sanctioning the ADA, even an ethics violation).

Point is, there are many pretrial events, one of the major things is evidence being entered.
My point is the Jury heard it. Tossed or not - they heard it. Yes, as you stated neither side can mention it. But, you never really know what facts and thoughts convince a juror to their final decision.
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My point is the Jury heard it. Tossed or not - they heard it. Yes, as you stated neither side can mention it. But, you never really know what facts and thoughts convince a juror to their final decision.
The point you are missing is - there is a large amount of pretrial stuff going on, before the jury gets involved.

If a judge excludes certain testimony or evidence (from either side) the jury won't hear it, unless you are dealing with an unethical lawyer.
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The way I see this, make what ever modifications you want! So long as the gun doesn't shoot out a flag stating you are going after a certain group of people, you should be fine. Just make sure if you use your firearm, you can justify it within the law.
What trigger job you had done doesn't make a difference when your being mugged, robbed, or defending the life of your family.
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