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JWagner 03-03-2013 01:44 AM

Gun laws ineffective in USA and Canada
 
Here is an interesting look at the gun restrictions' effects in both the US and in Canada. By going back farther than the usual news article, some truths come out. Trends in the both countries show a surprising correlation.

http://mises.ca/posts/articles/gun-control-does-not-mean-murder-control/

Daoust_Nat 03-03-2013 09:36 PM

Some folks I deal with in Southern Ontario and just East of Toronto are always complaining about what hoops they have to jump through to buy a new gun, and the price of ammo.

On the other hand, the true Canadian liberals would like to see them all banned and confiscated. There are plenty of those folks also.

GeneralPatton 03-05-2013 06:44 PM

To anyone with an IQ over 89, the numbers are easy to read. It doesn't work. I has never worked. It will never work. If we shut down all the McDonalds in the world, we can beat obesity. Try taking away an Americans right to eat greasy nasty fast food, and you'd probably get shot.

lfcshooter 03-05-2013 08:04 PM

We need some sort of organization that can pull together the correlation of all these stats from the US Canada UK and Australia. They are all the same.

Maybe it can create a domino effect across the nations by proving that legislation is bogus!

Each government is picking and choosing their stats to suit their purpose and there doesn't seem any thing to contradict them.

The US n.r.a seems the only organization fit for purpose but I think there needs some organization which is multinational with greater influence that can contradict.

A pipe dream perhaps but would be good all the same

Rocky7 03-28-2013 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Daoust_Nat (Post 1162182)
On the other hand, the true Canadian liberals would like to see them all banned and confiscated. There are plenty of those folks also.

Unfortunately, there are. And it seems they are breeding.

Anyway, if the topic comes up down your way (and I know it sometimes does) and you hear that Canada has fewer gun murders because it has stricter gun control, know this:

ALL of Canada's gun control laws from and after 1974 have accomplished nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. This was proved by Dr. Caillin Langmann is his landmark study - which the MSM up here stubbornly ignored. This means that our laws on magazine limits, severe restrictions on "assault rifles" like the AR, prescribed storage laws, our gun licencing system where you need a licence to buy or possess a gun - all of it - has been utterly useless in reducing homicides.

His study is summarized here but, unfortunately, you have to spend a few bucks to get the entire thing. I've read it. It's solid and far and away more intensive than anything done by anyone else in this country. Langmann used the same type of analysis as he would use to evaluate a new cancer drug.

So, the next time one of your gun zombies yammers on about how blessed Canada is, please shove this down their throat:

http://jiv.sagepub.com/content/27/12/2303.abstract

I hope some of you can use this bit of ammo. We have a common enemy. They are organized internationally.

John_Deer 03-28-2013 03:25 AM

Canada tried to register all the guns in Canada. Sheriffs in rural areas didn't bother to assign an officer to register guns. Finally when the Canadians figured out that most of the country wasn't even trying to register guns they shut down the entire operation.

blackxpress 03-28-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfcshooter (Post 1164702)
We need some sort of organization that can pull together the correlation of all these stats from the US Canada UK and Australia. They are all the same.

Maybe it can create a domino effect across the nations by proving that legislation is bogus!

Each government is picking and choosing their stats to suit their purpose and there doesn't seem any thing to contradict them.

The US n.r.a seems the only organization fit for purpose but I think there needs some organization which is multinational with greater influence that can contradict.

A pipe dream perhaps but would be good all the same

That won't work. Facts mean nothing to liberals. Their minds are made up already.

WebleyFosbery38 03-28-2013 12:57 PM

All I know is we had no freak out murders like Columbine and Sandy Hook in 1961 and almost no gun restrictions that same year. Every decade since the first nutcase killings they added gun restrictions, more freaks went wild and they added even more. Its like closing the gate after the bull gets out, useless and ineffective at anything to do with fixing the problem at hand!

Fight Fire with fire isnt just an old adage, its real when "Jamie's Gotta Gun" (Aerosmith). If you need to stop a lunatic with any weapon from killing innocent people, you must respond with like or greater force. You cant throw a Law Book at a murderer in the process of killing, you gotta throw well aimed lead back at them and kill them before they kill our kids!!!!

RJMercer 03-28-2013 11:30 PM

All of the studies and comparisons you want to pull out from whichever think tank you like prove one simple thing that we all instinctively know: Laws affect only the people that choose to obey them.
Never let that stubborn fact get in the way of a liberals emotional arguments though. Gawd it gets em red in the face.

Rocky7 03-28-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Deer (Post 1193698)
Canada tried to register all the guns in Canada. Sheriffs in rural areas didn't bother to assign an officer to register guns. Finally when the Canadians figured out that most of the country wasn't even trying to register guns they shut down the entire operation.

That is partly true.

Historical import records show there are about 21M firearms in the country. After 10 years and repeated amnesty announcements, the government only managed to get about 1/2 of the long guns registered. Our feds fudged the numbers to make it look like they had compliance but we knew better. Most people registered one (to take hunting) and left the others unregistered. Some flat-out and publicly refused. One WWII vet carried an unregistered rifle to the steps of the legislature in Edmonton and was arrested.

The real evil in it was that it gave Big Police a clump of catch-all criminal charges that they would use if all else failed; e.g., when a search warrant came up empty there would be some b.s. firearms charge.

Gun owners finally started to speak up and to organize. Our gun owner organizations finally stopped trying to be liked and started getting blunt - not quite like the GOA or NRA or JFPO, but not bad. We elected a Conservative government (like your democrats, really) and they revoked our long gun registry, as promised during the election. There remains much that needs to be revoked - and was promised in those same elections.

Anyway, enough people finally stood up and spoke up. Some were police officers. Some were professors. Some were doctors. Most were just ordinary folks who were fed up. It took all the usual stuff - petitions, letter campaigns, committee hearings, etc.

It was real hard to kill. I hope you never go down that dead end.

The lady who spearheaded that tyranny in Canada was Wendy Cukier. She was one of the founding members of IANSA. IANSA is behind the U.N. Small Arms Treaty. It's important to know who is coming over the wall.


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