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Old 07-26-2012, 01:49 AM   #21
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Lawsuits are going to abound out of this case. We will see if they are held liable.

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if the entire city is a GFZ, then i can't see faulting the theater for complying with the law, but IMO, it should be the City of Aurora that is held liable for this.

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if the entire city is a GFZ, then i can't see faulting the theater for complying with the law, but IMO, it should be the City of Aurora that is held liable for this.
So your saying it's not legal to carry in that city period or you'll face charges?!?!
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So your saying it's not legal to carry in that city period or you'll face charges?!?!
i am not saying anything, merely repeating what's been said. if the entire City of Aurora is a GFZ, the theater is simply complying with a city ordinance. so therefor IMO, the City of Aurora is liable for the deaths for not allowing law abiding citizens to exercise their right to defend themselves.

this is strictly my opinion and is not a legal precedent. that will be up to judges and juries to decide who, if anyone is liable for the deaths.
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Move to Texas. We have a "premtion law" that says what the State regulates or allows, other political subdivisions cannot regulate or ban. The City of Austin tried this, but were shot down (pun intended). The also tried to ban public possession of alcoholic beverages, but the State regulates alcoholic beverages so the city just banned the possession of any open container in certain areas. Same ticket for sipping on a Coke as guzzling a "foty". I'm sure they VERY selectively enforce that one though.

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I wonder if it would be worth it for a pro-NRA or pro-gun attorney to do a class action lawsuit in the name of all the disarmed citizens. THAT would put it front page in the paper!
Yes it would bs worth it.

Most businesses whether GFZ's or not still forbid weapons in the workplace by employees. This policy exists for the 1 simple reason of shielding the employer from liability should a shooting occur.

This philosophy was well established long before Florida became the first "shall issue" CCW State and persists through apathy and the tendency to continue doing what has allways been done.

One major lawsuit, victorious or not, would put all business owners on notice of huge possible jury awards for banning self defense and failing to provide a secure perimeter.

More importantly, it would put the business's liability insurer on notice and insurance companies are very quick to do the math.

This tactic is the most promising path to rid ourselves of private GFZ's because at the end of the day business owners are ALL about the risk VS the reward. We must make the status quo of GFZ's and no weapons policies MORE expensive than forgoing them.

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Why shouldn't a property owner be liable? it's their policy that results in someone not being able to defend themselves. it's their property and they have an obligation to provide a safe and secure environment.

that's what liability insurance if for ... liability! if a property owner lets thier property fall into disrepiar and a piece of the building fell and hit you in the head, guess who's responsible? the property owner! if you tripped over a sidewalk expansion joint and got injured (1/4" deflection is the max allowed by code), guess who is responsible? the property owner!

a little factoid - NYC has been paying out over $60million a year over the past several years to settle trips/falls on it's sidewalks

if someone puts in place a policy that prevents you from exercising your inalienable right to protect yourself, and then you end up getting hurt and/or killed, absolutely the property owner should be held liable!

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Why shouldn't a property owner be liable? it's their policy that results in someone not being able to defend themselves. it's their property and they have an obligation to provide a safe and secure environment.

that's what liability insurance if for ... liability! if a property owner lets thier property fall into disrepiar and a piece of the building fell and hit you in the head, guess who's responsible? the property owner! if you tripped over a sidewalk expansion joint and got injured (1/4" deflection is the max allowed by code), guess who is responsible? the property owner!

a little factoid - NYC has been paying out over $60million a year over the past several years to settle trips/falls on it's sidewalks

if someone puts in place a policy that prevents you from exercising your inalienable right to protect yourself, and then you end up getting hurt and/or killed, absolutely the property owner should be held liable!
Dog, the way i see it is this. if the entire city is declared a GFZ, then whether an indivdual business owner wanted to allow or not allow CC is irrelevent. IMO, this puts the burden on the city, not the business owner.
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You can't hold a city or property owner liable for a GFZ when this type of thing happens. How could any one prove they have the skill to stop that particular gunman. That will never happen. You can sue ( because some scumbag lawyer will take your money ) But you will never win a penny. And a good judge will throw it out.

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Dog, the way i see it is this. if the entire city is declared a GFZ, then whether an indivdual business owner wanted to allow or not allow CC is irrelevent. IMO, this puts the burden on the city, not the business owner.
then the city should be liable! When my sister built her house the town sent out an expert on trees. He decided that 7 big old oak tree had to remain ... regardless of the fact that they were dead or dying so when pressed as to who would be responsible when one of them comes crashing dwon on the house, or god forbid on top of someone ... his reply was it was in the interest of the environment to maintain the biodiversity

sure enough, not 1 year later, the top 3rd of one of the dead trees came crashing down in the middle of the night. had that been a holiday weekend there could have been over 100 people hanging around the area where the 20' trunk section and limbs fell! who'd be responsible then? my sister? Eff that, I arranged to have all 7, plus another 8 in her neighbors properties taken down within a weeks time!

look at the liability claims NYC pays out every year for sidewalk claims ..... they do a piss poor job of maintaning sidewalks, hence they foot the bill!

Damn right some lawyer needs to file a class action suit against the theater for the Aurora CO incident!
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