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crackshot 11-24-2011 04:04 AM

The great conspiracy?
 
Has anyone noticed the increase in Government conspiracy theories that abound lately? And not from crazy wing nut theorists. Increased warnings from the NRA concerning the government hatching a plan to confiscate your guns? Building distrust In the current administration with the Fast and Furious scandal when the problem actually started way back in 2003 in the Bush administration. Millions had been funneled into Mexico through the Dept. of Defense before Obama was even gleam in the Democratic eye, yet it's big news that money is being given to the corrupt Mexican officials just recently. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now, yet we are expected to act outraged at the Democratic party and the anti-gun shenanigans. When the admittedly NRA friendly Repubs were doing the naughtiness, where were the defenders of liberty and freedom?

Oh, that's right. There was no wrongdoing during the Republican administration. I'm a conservative Democrat, by the way. But I've considered No Party Preference.

If all of this is true, what then? Will any of you give up your guns when the secret UN treaty is enforced? The government has been keeping pretty good records when it comes to Americans buying firearms. Are you willing to rollover and play the good and loyal American?

What's scarier still is that the NRA is using these issues, true or not, to further it's own agenda. Don't get the wrong idea. I'm an NRA member too. But since I have joined I've received several LAST NOTICE flyers to renew my membership. There's been a HUGE push to get me to buy Life insurance, car insurance, even the NRA wine club, if you can believe that! I have a feeling that this is all building up to something.

I for one am tired of the manipulation by all sides. I don't need the government deciding for me how I should do this or that. I don't want the NRA telling me who I should vote for through intimidation and fear. And I certainly don't think the NRA Wine club is appropriate. Wine? Come on!

willfully armed 11-24-2011 04:27 AM

The NRA is a capitalistic organization. PERIOD.

rjd3282 11-24-2011 04:31 AM

Maybe you should review some history and read the federalist papers. A good American doesn't roll over and surrender to tyranny. That's why we have 2a.

crackshot 11-24-2011 04:46 AM

Capitalists yes. Wine! Of all things! Guns and booze don't mix.

stickhauler 11-24-2011 05:57 AM

There are several differences between the "gun walking" programs that went on during the Bush years and "Fast & Furious." The main one is, in the Bush era, our government was working with Mexican officials to interdict the firearms, in "F&F", no such cooperation between US Law Enforcement and Mexico's. And the sheer number of firearms walked by this administration, in less than 2 years time, is double or more the number in both Bush era programs. Hell, the ones still unaccounted for from "F&F" is more than the combined number of both Bush programs.

Oh, and one other little difference, the Bush programs didn't provide weapons used in the murders of 2 Federal LEO's.

CA357 11-24-2011 06:41 AM

Conspiracy?

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Sniper03 11-24-2011 06:49 AM

As I stated in another post. Come to get my guns and see what you get!
That is not a threat it is a promise. "SO COME GET EM! Bring your body bags with you so you can leave in them! I am a true American and I will defend America and our rights as I have done with most of you in the past! ;) If they are monitoring our posts they can take this to the bank! As the Japanese stated when they decided not to attack the American homeland. There will be a gun behind every tree!

03

AcidFlashGordon 11-24-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper03 (Post 634733)
As I stated in another post. Come to get my guns and see what you get!
That is not a threat it is a promise. "SO COME GET EM! Bring your body bags with you so you can leave in them! I am a true American and I will defend America and our rights as I have done with most of you in the past! ;) If they are monitoring our posts they can take this to the bank! As the Japanese stated when they decided not to attack the American homeland. There will be a gun behind every tree!

03

You are correct....up to a point. There are parts of these United States where the population is armed (some armed to the teeth) and will stand up against any federal attempts to confiscate their guns. Those parts are, most likely, the more rural areas where the people use their guns for hunting AND are constantly honing their shooting skills. The places where any confiscation plans will most likely succeed are the urban areas...cities where there are "casual" gun owners who occasionally head out to the range to run a few rounds through their guns.

Don't get me wrong, there are both types of people in both areas so there will be some who submit to federal confiscation (circa Red Dawn - the original - but to a much lesser degree). If anything would ignite armed revolt, a federal attempt at full gun confiscation could be the "trigger" for such an event.

As the bottom line of my signature states, bring yours if you come for mine!

crackshot 11-24-2011 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickhauler
There are several differences between the "gun walking" programs that went on during the Bush years and "Fast & Furious." The main one is, in the Bush era, our government was working with Mexican officials to interdict the firearms, in "F&F", no such cooperation between US Law Enforcement and Mexico's. (snip)

Oh, and one other little difference, the Bush programs didn't provide weapons used in the murders of 2 Federal LEO's.

That's also incorrect. The number of firearms reported to the US government was vastly understated during Bush's program; a lot of soldiers in the Mexican army defected to the Cartels with their rifles and a lot of other ordnance when the criminal groups exerted their influence with either money or violence. Poverty is a driving force. It was proven the first program didn't work; why it was restarted is anyone's guess (trying to prove our gun laws were too lax). Hopefully, the investigation will continue

Either way, the guns fell into the wrong hands. Watch this interview by the NRA regarding this issue.


thdrduck 11-24-2011 01:30 PM

Everyone needs to remember who is doling out this information. For the most part the statement "you will only know what they want you to know" has merit. Penn state has received way more press then F&F. :mad:


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