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Old 12-24-2012, 06:49 AM   #41
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It happens man. My mother in law is for the AWB although she dose not even know who the VP is. Nuff said.
My Stepmother agreed with Whoopi Goldberg and her statement that no one needs an AR or AK, because no one would use them for hunting or self defense ..

Stupid is as Stupid does.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:26 AM   #42
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Good for you. We all gotta start someplace.

Take a noob shooting. It's the best way

to change their minds...
Well my grandfather was in the Army so he has shot before and my grandmother has a lot of medical issues so she couldn't go out to shoot anyway. Although I got an email from them saying that we may disagree but they are proud that I know as much as I do being as young as I am.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:08 AM   #43
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Although I got an email from them saying that we may disagree but they are proud that I know as much as I do being as young as I am.
Well, THAT'S something! Cool.

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Take a noob shooting. It's the best way to change their minds..
Yeah, I don't know. There are plenty of people I know that keep saying they want to try shooting, or, I'd like to get a gun, or something similar. I offer to take them, multiple times, and they never come. The wife at least has come with us on several occasions, and has even had some fun. Got to give her credit for that, although it did not change her mind.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:11 AM   #44
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When people who have lived a long life (with all of the experiences that that provides) and who love you, suspect you might be paranoid, maybe you should give their opinions some notice. If you think the government is out to get you, you just may be paranoid.

If I thought the government was out to get me, I would go somewhere else, because, no matter what you bring to bear on the gov, they got more and better.
And so did the British during the Revolution but look where that went.
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:44 PM   #45
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I see you've been around a little and posted alot here, often "liked," are presumably a gunowner, and I'd guess a transplanted, retired, New Yorker...

If you don't understand that gunowners aren't concerned a dictatorial government (let's say The Left) aren't after them personally except as gunowners then you should be posting less and reading more. And if you do understand that, why are you warping what people mean when they are the ones in tune with history and the Constitution?

It was clear from The Founding Fathers through the Eisenhower Administration. And now tyrrany, however soft (it may be at the moment), should mean just what to true Americans exactly!?
I have been insulted many times on this forum, but to call me a New Yorker really hurts. My family has been in the Deep South since just after the Revolution. And yes, I am a gun owner, collector, shooter, and an active NRA certified trainer. I probably own more firearms then 90% of the posters on this forum.

As far a me warping what people say, I usually just "quote" them then argue with what they said. What I react to is usually "warped" to begin with so any warping I might do would be a duplication of effort.

As far as the government being dictatorial, I just don't know where in the hell that comes from. We just finished a free and fair election. If the POTUS was a dictator, do you think he would have such a hard time getting his policies past the congress? That dictator crap is pure bull ****, and propaganda and anyone capable of rational thought knows that. Democracy is alive and well.

What right-wingers have a difficult time with is; If they are not in the majority then they don't believe the system works. Face it guys, the voters in the last two presidential elections did not agree with your philosophy. It doesn't mean the government is evil, it just means most people don't agree with you. That is what the founders intended; the minority must be heard, but the majority must rule.

If the majority is as feeble minded, stupid, ignorant, and evil as some here would have us to believe, then the right needs to get used to being governed by feeble minded, stupid, ignorant and evil people. It is what the Constitution and the founders intended.

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I have been insulted many times on this forum, but to call me a New Yorker really hurts. My family has been in the Deep South since just after the Revolution. And yes, I am a gun owner, collector, shooter, and an active NRA certified trainer. I probably own more firearms then 90% of the posters on this forum.

As far a me warping what people say, I usually just "quote" them then argue with what they said. What I react to is usually "warped" to begin with so any warping I might do would be a duplication of effort.

As far as the government being dictatorial, I just don't know where in the hell that comes from. We just finished a free and fair election. If the POTUS was a dictator, do you think he would have such a hard time getting his policies past the congress? That dictator crap is pure bull ****, and propaganda and anyone capable of rational thought knows that. Democracy is alive and well.

What right-wingers have a difficult time with is; If they are not in the majority then they don't believe the system works. Face it guys, the voters in the last two presidential elections did not agree with your philosophy. It doesn't mean the government is evil, it just means most people don't agree with you. That is what the founders intended; the minority must be heard, but the majority must rule.

If the majority is as feeble minded, stupid, ignorant, and evil as some here would have us to believe, then the right needs to get used to being governed by feeble minded, stupid, ignorant and evil people. It is what the Constitution and the founders intended.

God Bless America!
This is how Democratic Governments die. The "Majority" has found out they can vote for free benefits. The result is we are over our heads in debt. Throughout history democratic governments have only lasted about 200 years for the very reasons you so proudly proclaim. In the end the "Majority" finds out that there is no fee lunch and the country chokes to death on its debt. This is what your so called Right Wing is trying to prevent but the effort at this point is probably futile. We may have lost our last chance. Enjoy your Socialist Republic. You wanted it and you got it.
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Family can tend to suck at times. When I started carrying about 7 months ago my parents were not happy the least. Then there was my brothers wife who would not let me see her kids when I was carrying and wouldn't let them stay at my house even thou my guns are locked up like Knox.

Then recently with the sandy hook shooting and a crime spree in our neighbor she has converted. Now I'm getting questions every two seconds about what kind of gun they should get and if I can help them, which of course I will. Hate to say I told you so

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Yeah that'll happen. I've been called paranoid once or twice. I usually cite the Battle of Athens as an example.
Thank You! I had not heard of the Battle of Athens before.

Very interesting story!!
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This is how Democratic Governments die. The "Majority" has found out they can vote for free benefits. The result is we are over our heads in debt. Throughout history democratic governments have only lasted about 200 years for the very reasons you so proudly proclaim. In the end the "Majority" finds out that there is no fee lunch and the country chokes to death on its debt. This is what your so called Right Wing is trying to prevent but the effort at this point is probably futile. We may have lost our last chance. Enjoy your Socialist Republic. You wanted it and you got it.
The reason we are overhead in debt, is because we have shipped all of our jobs and money to China or Mexico or and number of Pacific Island nations, to benefit the very wealthy in this country. Our economic well being started downhill with "free trade" which has cost millions of American jobs, and trillions in American wages. I lived in a prosperous time, where we had plenty, it changed when we quit making our own stuff. You simply can not buy everything from overseas and have a healthy economy. We used to make all of our own cars, TVs, textiles, and everything else we used. Now we pay others to make them for us. More money going out then in creates deficits; easy math.

Conservatives are many times, single issue voters; Guns, religion, abortion, etc. Liberals generally look at the big picture. I have known a lot of liberals and have never had a discussion that centered on "free stuff". Most of the liberals I know are hard working, church going, family people, although I do know some tree-hugging, off-the-wall types as well. Just as crazy conservatives are small in number, so are off-the-wall liberals.

Socialism is nothing new in this country, there have always been some social ingredients to our democracy, and without them, we would not have universal free education, highways, utilities etc. No matter how "self sufficient" you are, there are many things best done by communal effort. That is why we transitioned from an hunting and gathering society to an agriculture and industrial society. Specialization and cooperation has brought us the comforts of a modern society.

We do have tyrany, but it is the tyrany of big busines, big banking and big money. They call the shots and they don't make decisions based on what is good for the average Joe. They buy elections, they buy politicans and policies, and we have let them get away with it. Hell, we even support them in it, because they give us issues close to our hearts.

If you take a good, hard look at most of the conservative issues, they all support the wealthiest people in this country, to the detriment of the workers. The richest have the capital to invent and support issues that help themselves. They are willing to throw bones to the population to keep us happy. They are great at attaching emotional, issues to their adgendas. The wealthy don't really give a damn if you have or don't have a gun or an abortion, or a job, as long as they have the ability to continue to consolidate and gather in the wealth of the working people. If they decide to fight guns, fight for the right to choose, and other social issues close to conservative hearts, and it supports their abilty to gather in the almighty dollar, they will. Think about it.
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Chain, You probably do own more guns than me. And yes most people on here disagree with you. Most gun forums are going to be made of 90% conservatives.

I honestly think that there are several reasons why we are in debt, and yes outsourcing is one. But outsourcing is a surface issue. We must ask "Why do jobs get outsourced?". It is because of high taxes, and far too many regulations.

The market is currently being strangled in our country. Companies cannot industrially thrive the way they once could. More regulation will just push more jobs away.

This is not something we can blame the Unions for. Unions have their place. The problem is that there is too much government to be controlled. With lesser government the unions will not have as much to control. This way the market will stay more open, keeping more jobs at home.

The main reason I believe we are in debt, is because of the Federal Reserve Bank. A central bank was Marx's fifth plank of communism. Not that all countries with central banks are communist, but all communist countries will have a central bank. Artificially raising interest rates, inflating the dollar, and operating the worlds largest counterfeit operation is unconstitutional, immoral, and just plain criminal.

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