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Old 09-24-2011, 06:58 AM   #11
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Ok, I agree that it would be cruel (but then you could argue that the death penalty is cruel or even just being punished is cruel. We have to be cruel to an extent) but, not unusual. People have been punishing people like that for centuries. Ever hear of the saying "an eye for an eye"? That's not just a saying, it was at one time law. If you poked someone's eye out, they poked your eye out. If you killed someone, they killed you. It was a very simple, yet effective law.

Hmm, letting the victim/victim's family decide what to do with the scum and how to do it. I like the way you think.

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Old 09-24-2011, 03:29 PM   #12
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Deterrence is creating fear in the mind of the law-breaker.

When we set up prisons with Air-conditioning and heating, cable TV, three hot

grade-A meals, with dessert, spa and gym facilities, beds, blankets,

clothing, etc, all FREE to the convict, we are, in essence,

destroying ANY deterrent value for incarceration. Let's start by making them

PAY full boat for everything from their taxi service in the police cruiser at the

start, to their storage fee for personal items when the leave.

Orange Jumpsuit 139$- Meal -15$ Shoes-35$, etc.

Let's give them a real "debt to society" to repay.

And while we're at it, charge them for booking, and let us

law-abiding CCW holders have FREE booking services when

we get our permits. WHY do we as law abiding citizens

get punished by paying for our permit costs, so convicts can get the

exact same service free?

Want deterrence? What if a gang-banger knew there was the

very real possibility if he committed a violent crime, that a

scientist would be surgically altering his junk?

Tell victims and their families about "cruel and unusual".

The only reason it's unusual is we haven't done it on a regular basis.

I'm trying to remember the last violent felon who wasn't cruel.

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Deterrence is creating fear in the mind of the law-breaker.

When we set up prisons with Air-conditioning and heating, cable TV, three hot

grade-A meals, with dessert, spa and gym facilities, beds, blankets,

clothing, etc, all FREE to the convict, we are, in essence,

destroying ANY deterrent value for incarceration. Let's start by making them

PAY full boat for everything from their taxi service in the police cruiser at the

start, to their storage fee for personal items when the leave.

Orange Jumpsuit 139$- Meal -15$ Shoes-35$, etc.

Let's give them a real "debt to society" to repay.

And while we're at it, charge them for booking, and let us

law-abiding CCW holders have FREE booking services when

we get our permits. WHY do we as law abiding citizens

get punished by paying for our permit costs, so convicts can get the

exact same service free?

Want deterrence? What if a gang-banger knew there was the

very real possibility if he committed a violent crime, that a

scientist would be surgically altering his junk?

Tell victims and their families about "cruel and unusual".

The only reason it's unusual is we haven't done it on a regular basis.

I'm trying to remember the last violent felon who wasn't cruel.
+1! Exodus 21:24 gives the "eye for an eye" talk but also says "wound for wound". If the Bible says it, does that still count for "cruel and unusual"?
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The Bible also calls for stoning.

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Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
Yes, it's still cruel even if it's in the Bible.
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The Bible also calls for stoning.



Yes, it's still cruel even if it's in the Bible.
Hey, I'm cool with that.

Look it here folks. What we need to do is turn it into an event (Gladiator?). No, not that cruel. We cant use the electric chair because of energy concerns. Why waste good ammo on a slime ball when you can use my next idea...

Bring back the rope! Then we can set up T.V. broadcast to make money for the local and state governments! And, the best part? HUGE deterrent IMHO.
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This whole "cruel and unusual" thing has to be re-thought.

If we made something cruel more commonplace,

we would no longer have the combination of the

two, which the bleeding heart wussies whine

about so much...

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If we made something cruel more commonplace
Sounds like you'd appreciate the punishments available in Islamic nations.
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The sentences we give people is what we think would be strong enough to be a deterent to the crime. What is stronger than death?? The problem is psychology. In order for a punishment to be effective it needs 3 things. Without 1 it is not really effectives. Punishment needs to strong, swift, and decisive.

Death Penalty
strong-obviously yes, they're gonna die
swift- hell no, they get an automatic appeal plus many other appeals they can file for. Average lenght of hotel stay is 13 years.
decisive-not really, death penalty trials take 3.5 times longer than non-death penalty trial.

So, to make it more streamlined, make it 6 months from arrest to trial. Once guilty, give one appeal then off to the firing squad. Crime to conviction to corpse under 1 year. That would definately be strong, swift, decisive. Maybe I should email Rick Perry to give this a trial run.
I think 13 years delay is great. He gets to think about his pending execution every minute of evey day for that entire time period. This sort of thing warms the very cockles of my heart
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I think 13 years delay is great. He gets to think about his pending execution every minute of evey day for that entire time period. This sort of thing warms the very cockles of my heart
Maybe WE get to think about it every day, but most of these

scumbags have the mentality of a dog that just crapped on the carpet.

The only time either of them feels bad is when what they've done

wrong gets crammed up their nose, and they face immediate punishment.
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Sounds like you'd appreciate the punishments available in Islamic nations.
I can't say. I'd have to examine the crime rate in Islamic nations VS

the USA.
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