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Old 03-14-2014, 07:09 PM   #31
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It is unwise to publicly admit to doing something illegal. Many a person has been convicted on self-incriminating evidence they have posted on the internet, what is more, many of these people would never have caught the eye of law enforcement had they not posted these things.

It would be wise to always temper your posts with this in mind.
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Oh good Lord! Now we have Orangello pontificating on morality! Is that what the world has come to?
Some guy on a Pale Horse just stopped for directions.
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Do we have an Amen Brother!!???
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Jim, check this out. Especially FAQ 2.
http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons

If my son lives in Alabama and I in Florida, the only way he can get a gun from me is through an FFL in Alabama.
Should he come to visit me, I can loan him a gun for lawful purposes, but I cannot transfer it to him.
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Jim, check this out. Especially FAQ 2.
http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons

If my son lives in Alabama and I in Florida, the only way he can get a gun from me is through an FFL in Alabama.
Should he come to visit me, I can loan him a gun for lawful purposes, but I cannot transfer it to him.
I am sure there are some grey areas regarding "residency" though. For instance, your son could temporarily "move" to Florida for a period of time and you could do a Face-To-Face transfer to him whereupon he "moves" back to his previous state of residence.

The question is what is the minimum time required in a state for a person to be considered a "resident" for this purpose? Is there any case law on this? Are there defined rules on this? If I go to Nevada and take up residence in a hotel for a week, does that mean I am residing there? I plead the 5th!
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Its all in your interpretation. There is a legal requirement that all interstate transfers be executed through FFls in both states. That is the law.



Some people do not comply with this law (or others). That is fact. This could be a form of protest (IE: "refuse to comply") and we have the right to engage in such activity, right or wrong.



As to the "right to free speech", you have the First Amendment that protects you from the government abridging that right. It does not protect you elsewhere, such as on a private forum on the internet. There is a measure of responsibility in the forum ownership to not allow promotion of illegal behavior and it is only prudent to enforce that policy as it is stated.



JimRau, I would suggest that you state such things in a more ambiguous manner. That can be perfectly acceptable if done correctly.



Now as to prohibiting "Immoral behavior"? I think you are quite incorrect about that G30. I don't think we need any morality police here and I don't think there is any clearly defined moral code we can go to in order to gauge our posts by. For example, I am living with a woman out of wedlock right now. For some that is immoral. For me it is not (not only that but it is quite practical too! ;-)), so where does that line get drawn?

I have already clarified my statement
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I have a question. When someone asks for legal advise here, everybody says something to the effect of "free advise is worth what you pay for it", "or ask a lawyer," or "I'm not a lawyer", etc. Now, I ask, ARE there any lawyers here? More specific, are there any lawyers who know gun laws? On this thread, we have people arguing that something is illegal, and other people saying that same something is legal. (Transferring from state to state with no FFL, if both the states allow FTF transfers, and the receiver is allowed to receive a gun.) This is why I find a lot of gun law stuff confusing. No one knows, but everybody has an opinion. We should get some definitive answers from an actual lawyer on the federal end of it, and make it a sticky. It'd be nice doing the same thing on a state level, but it might be hard getting a lawyer from each state to do it. I do know there is at least one very good gun lawyer in NH.

Vikingdad, I not only find your living arrangement moral, (or at the very least make no judgement either way), I think it's pretty smart....everybody should "Test Drive" the person they may or may not marry.
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It is unwise to publicly admit to doing something illegal. Many a person has been convicted on self-incriminating evidence they have posted on the internet, what is more, many of these people would never have caught the eye of law enforcement had they not posted these things.

It would be wise to always temper your posts with this in mind.
If you are a 'sheepeople' who is afraid of doing the RIGHT thing that is!!!
One single line, follow the pied piper!
What part of "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" don't you understand!
The next step is for the 'law' to stop all transfers of guns out of state. Will that be when you say 'enough is enough', or are you simply just willing comply???????????????
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I will try to provide a reference when I can.
The laws are confusing, that is why I try to direct questions to the correct place.

In this case, direct to BATF.
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If you are a 'sheepeople' who is afraid of doing the RIGHT thing that is!!!
One single line, follow the pied piper!
What part of "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" don't you understand!
The next step is for the 'law' to stop all transfers of guns out of state. Will that be when you say 'enough is enough', or are you simply just willing comply???????????????
I am not one of the, as you put it, 'sheepeople'. Did you coin that term? Or are you following some self-appointed Pied Piper in using it?

I do understand. Probably much better than you can imagine. I do see some utility in engaging in public protest, even ones that might get me arrested. But I would not risk a felony unless I could afford a platoon of attorneys and the time to fight such a case all the way to the Supreme Court. Transferring guns illegally but without telling anybody of the act is a useless protest IMO. So was Adam Kokesh's act of defiance when he loaded a shotgun in Washington DC last 4th of July. He is tilting at windmills, just as you are doing by your silent protests.

Postin it on a gun forum that is undoubtedly monitored by many different government agencies is unwise. Could land you in jail. I hope it does not happen, but unless it does your efforts are wasted on everybody but yourself (and perhaps the people who receeve your generous gifts.)
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