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Old 05-12-2013, 01:00 PM   #11
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Thats a great point, it clearly shows that Guns arent the problem, people are! Technically, we allow allot of bad people into our borders and dont stop the homegrown ones we have from breeding!

Guns Per Capita is all a distraction from historical time tested facts, guns dont kill people, people kill people!

But if you try to talk about the links between the increases in violence and the increases in diversity, you get called bad names.
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Interesting article. It inspired me to do an online search of German gun manufacturers. The following is a list of what I found. Some I knew of, some I did not:
1. J. G. Anschütz GmbH & Co. KG
2. Haemmerli
3. Heckler and Koch
4. Mauser
5. Rheinmetall AG
6. Sig Arms
7. Walther
8. Merkel
9. Krieghoff (Drilling combo rifle/shotguns $$$$$$$$$$)
Did I miss any?

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that sure seems strange to me. i have german family and friends, and the way they explained it to me....it is very hard to own guns in germany and not very common at all. i took my german friends shooting and it was the first time they had ever shot anything other than a pellet gun.

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wait....i've always heard canada has a lot of gun owners. i would have assumed far more than germany, at the very least per capita.

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Interesting article. It inspired me to do an online search of German gun manufacturers. The following is a list of what I found. Some I knew of, some I did not:
1. J. G. Anschütz GmbH & Co. KG
2. Haemmerli
3. Heckler and Koch
4. Mauser
5. Rheinmetall AG
6. Sig Arms
7. Walther
8. Merkel
9. Krieghoff (Drilling combo rifle/shotguns $$$$$$$$$$)
Did I miss any?
For strictly AR rifle companies you have Oberland Arms, Schmeisser and Hera Arms. My AR is made by Hera Arms. Yes, there is an AR community over here to include competitions.
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wait....i've always heard canada has a lot of gun owners. i would have assumed far more than Germany, at the very least per capita.

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it is very hard to own guns in germany and not very common
People believe that about the UK as well and are incorrect as well.

The list is for 2007 and has probably changed a bit.


The United States owns more guns per resident, at around 0.89, than any other nation in the world. The U.S. has over 50% more gun-owners than the next two highest nations, Serbia and Yemen at about 0.55 and three times as many as major European countries such as France and Germamy.


List of countries by number of guns. 2007.

Country. Guns per 100 thousand. Rank.
United States 88.8 1
Yemen 54.8 2
Switzerland 45.7 3
Finland 45.3 4 32 [5]
Serbia 37.8 5 58.2[6]
Cyprus 36.1 6
Saudi Arabia 35 7
Iraq 34.2 8
Uruguay 31.8 9
Sweden 31.6 10
Norway 31.3 11
France 31.2 12
Canada 30.8 13
Austria 30.4 14
Germany 30.3 15
Iceland 30.3 15
Oman 25.5 17
Bahrain 24.8 18
Kuwait 24.8 18
Republic of Macedonia 24.1 20
Montenegro 23.1 21
New Zealand 22.6 22 1993: 26.8.[2]
Greece 22.5 23
United Arab Emirates 22.1 24
Northern Ireland 21.9 25
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Another factor not considered in these numbers, The USA being one of the wealthiest nations in the world, we also have many of the most avid collectors in the world also, I know lots of folks who have 15 or 20 and most never leave the cabinet. How many collectors do you think are in most South American countries, most of those are drug lords? All things being equal, they rarely are.

Someone mentioned France; BWAha, they may not have many weapons but they sell their products to anyone that will buy them!

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manta;1244484]People believe that about the UK as well and are incorrect as well.
i believe this because it came straight form the mouths of people who live there. you should have seen the looks on their faces when i took them to an academy.....


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List of countries by number of guns. 2007.

Country. Guns per 100 thousand. Rank.
United States 88.8 1
Yemen 54.8 2
Switzerland 45.7 3
Finland 45.3 4 32 [5]
Serbia 37.8 5 58.2[6]
Cyprus 36.1 6
Saudi Arabia 35 7
Iraq 34.2 8
Uruguay 31.8 9
Sweden 31.6 10
Norway 31.3 11
France 31.2 12
Canada 30.8 13
Austria 30.4 14
Germany 30.3 15
Iceland 30.3 15
Oman 25.5 17
Bahrain 24.8 18
Kuwait 24.8 18
Republic of Macedonia 24.1 20
Montenegro 23.1 21
New Zealand 22.6 22 1993: 26.8.[2]
Greece 22.5 23
United Arab Emirates 22.1 24
Northern Ireland 21.9 25
interesting. thanks for posting. but is the data saying US only has 88 guns per 100 thou residents? that seems way off to me...but, i'm from texas....i think guns per 100 thou here is about 99 thou....lmao! almost everyone i know has 1 or more gun.

i thought everyone put privately owned guns in america at around 200-300 million?
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Another factor not considered in these numbers, The USA being one of the wealthiest nations in the world, we also have many of the most avid collectors in the world also, I know lots of folks who have 15 or 20 and most never leave the cabinet. How many collectors do you think are in most South American countries, most of those are drug lords? All things being equal, they rarely are
All true what people also don't take into consideration is that there is not the same interest in firearms and owning firearms in most European countries as there is in America. Among my acquaintances very few have a interest in firearms and have no idea what the firearms laws are in their own country. Its not so much that firearms are hard to get in European countries more that people just have no interest.
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True manta, if guns were as easily obtainable here as in the US would people suddenly rush to buy them?. Nope, because of a total culture difference.

Same reason our homicide rate wouldn't suddenly increase, those who want to kill do it anyway, people will do what they will do. My only prediction might be more spree killers?, especially with the instant fame guaranteed to them by the media.

I don't see Americas 4.7/100K homicide rate as gun related, again just people doing what they will do. The thing is nobody would even care about that figure if it wasn't for all the high profile spree killings with firearms, they are what damage the reputation of large scale private gun ownership and prompt the huge criticisms.

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