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Old 07-06-2012, 03:14 PM   #41
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Yea you can't just blame one party!! One party might have one person with a louder voice over the other, but that doesn't mean the whole party agrees with some idiot. Unfortunately Indiana has Mitch Daniels which is doing great for guns, but he tore down the teachers union!! He's very much against education for some reason, but loves guns.
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You might want to do a little more research on republicans and their history with gun control legislation. Granted, they're not as bad as dems, but many in the GOP have had their moments of shame.

Top Republican Rep. Pete King (R) to Introduce Gun-Control Legislation

"Guns are an abomination" -Richard Nixon
Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

Bush Sr. banned import of "assault" weapons in 1989 and supported the idea that we should only have guns suitable for sporting purposes.

Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street."

"I support the Brady Bill, and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." Ronald Reagan, March 28, 1991 speech

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

August 10, 2000 Republican governor George Pataki (New York) signed "the nation's strictest gun control" laws mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

The ominous Assault Weapons Ban that passed in 1994 was a key part of H.R. 3355, The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Despite some people saying the bill was authored by Joe Biden, they're wrong. The author was Rep. Jack Brooks from Texas. Biden wasn't even a sponsor. Right wing gun enthusiasts claim Democrats are the bad guys, trying to take away their guns, but an examination of the voting record shows nothing of the sort.

In the House of Representatives, the vote was not even close. A "verbal vote" was cast so there is not even a record in the House of who voted for/against. There was not enough opposition to even require more detailed voting processes.

In the Senate, the story is much the same, but the senators' votes are on record, and we can see in no-uncertain terms that the Republicans supported the assault weapons ban just as much as the democrats. Here's how the actual vote went down:

Number of Democrats voting for the AWB: 50/53 (94.3%)
Number of Republicans voting for the AWB: 45/47 (95.7%)

Yes, among Republicans in the Senate, a higher percentage supported the AWB than Democrats!

Republicans:
Richard Shelby (AL), Frank Murkowski, Ted Stevens (AK), JOHN MCCAIN (AZ), Christopher Bond (MO), Conrad Burns (MT), Judd Gregg, Bob Smith (NH), Pete Domenici (NM), Alfonse D'Amato (NY), Duncan Faircloth, Jesse Helms (NC), Don Nickles (OK), Robert Packwood (OR), Arlen Specter (PA), John Chafee (RI), J. Thurmond (SC), Larry Pressler (SD), Kay Hutchison (TX), George Brown, Ben Campbell (CO), William Roth (DE), Connie MAck (FL), Paul Coverdell (GA), Larry Craig, Dirk Kempthorne (ID), Daniel Coats, Richard Lugar (IN), Charles Grassley (IA), Bob Dole, Nancy Kassebaum (KS), Mitch McConnell (KY), William Cohen (ME), Thad Cochran, Trent Lott (MS), Robert Bennett, Orrin Hatch (UT), James Jeffords (VT), John Warner (VA), T. Gorton (WA), Alan Simpson, Malcolm Wallop (WY)

Democrats:
Howell Heflin (AL) Dennis DeConcini (AZ), Dale Bumpers, David Pryor (AR) Barara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein (CA), Max Baucus (MT), J. Exon, J. Kerrey (NE), Richard Bryan, Harry Reid (NV), William Bradley, Frank Lautenberg (NJ), Jef Bingaman (NM), Daniel Moynihan (NY), John Glenn, Howard Metzenbaum (OH), David Boren (OK), Harris Wofford (PA), Claiborne Pell (RI), Ernest Hollings (SC), Tom Daschle (SD), Harlan Matthews, James Sasser (TN), Chris Dodd, Joe Lieberman (CT), Joe Biden (DE), Bob Graham (FL), Sam Nunn (GA), Daniel Akaka, Daniel Inouye (HI), Carol Braun (IL), Thomas Harkin (IA), Wendell Ford (KY), John Breaux, John Johnston (LA), George Mitchell (ME), Barbara Mikulski, Paul Sarbanes (MD), Edward Kennedy, John Kerry (MA), Carl Levin, Don Riegle (MI), Paul Wellstone (MN), Pat Leahy (VT), Charles Robb (VA), Patty Murray (WA), Robert Byrd, John Rockefeller (WV), Herbert Kohl (WI)

HR6257, the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 was authored by three Republicans and no Democrats.

The NRA started to teach people how to shoot. It was not a political organization. You don't have to dig too deep to see the many disgraceful ways the NRA has capitulated on gun-control laws. It is what it is. But it sure isn't the GOA or JPFO.

Putting an organization like the NRA or a party like the GOP on a pedestal will get you burned. Don't mistakenly believe either party, as a whole, stands for anything because neither party does.
Many of these "republicans" are democrats who switched parties. I know Nickles from ok was one. We had a couple others as well. And we all know Arlen specter's switcheroo record.

It is incumbent upon us, to not vote just based on a R or D after their name...you never know what it truly means anymore.
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Don't forget to thank the 10 wonderful gun loving Republican senators who voted to extend the "assault weapons ban" in 2004. Remember to demonize those 6 Democrat senators who voted against extending the AWB. Remember to thank Republican Big Daddy Bush for his vote in favor of the gun control act of 1968.

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Ten Republicans broke party ranks: Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Susan Collins of Maine, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Peter Fitzgerald of Illinois, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Richard Lugar of Indiana, Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and John Warner of Virginia.

Six Democrats voted against extending the ban: Max Baucus of Montana, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Zell Miller of Georgia, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Harry Reid of Nevada.

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George Washington cautioned the country against being caught up in the 2 party system of government. He stated it would bring a geographical discord to the nation. I can't help but think the republicans and dems have figured out that we're almost enslaved to voting for one or the other so they really don't care. We need to thin the herd, they're gettin inbred.
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George Washington cautioned the country against being caught up in the 2 party system of government. He stated it would bring a geographical discord to the nation. I can't help but think the republicans and dems have figured out that we're almost enslaved to voting for one or the other so they really don't care. We need to thin the herd, they're gettin inbred.
Right, exactly. If a party actually had a charter and steadfastly stood for a core set of beliefs, at least you'd have a better shot of knowing where you stand with a candidate. But we don't even have that! Parties change over time. What they seemed to stand for years ago isn't what they stand for today. A Kennedy-era democrat would be regarded as right-wing by today's democrat party.

Vote for the person, not the party.
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We need to thin the herd, they're gettin inbred.
Vote out every incumbent! Force the change upon them the way they forced all these ridiculous laws upon us.

I mean seriously people, Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne and still went on to serve another 50 years for Mass. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot over?!
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http://www.keepandbeararms.com/nra/nfa.htm

A very good read but one long bit_h, not what I was looking for but came accross it while trying to find the minutes of the meeting in 1932 on gun control.
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Vote out every incumbent! Force the change upon them the way they forced all these ridiculous laws upon us.

I mean seriously people, Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne and still went on to serve another 50 years for Mass. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot over?!
Yeah, I helped put together a great web site a couple years back with a "One-and-Done" theme based on ousting EVERY elected official every election cycle for at least three cycles to get the message across. People don't understand, don't know what's going on, and they like it that way. More's the pity because it's these aloof morons who will ultimately suffer the worst.

Heck, even around here of FTF we have plenty of folks clamoring for Romney even though he sucks. What do you do with that?? I mean, apart from saving seeds, storing food, general prepping, and buying more ammo?
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Yeah, I helped put together a great web site a couple years back with a "One-and-Done" theme based on ousting EVERY elected official every election cycle for at least three cycles to get the message across. People don't understand, don't know what's going on, and they like it that way. More's the pity because it's these aloof morons who will ultimately suffer the worst.

Heck, even around here of FTF we have plenty of folks clamoring for Romney even though he sucks. What do you do with that?? I mean, apart from saving seeds, storing food, general prepping, and buying more ammo?
We voted out a 6 term incumbent congressman in my district. It's time for the talk and the "it's not my congressman who's the problem" crap to end. Put up, or shut up. So, yeah...I agree w/you.
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Yeah, I helped put together a great web site a couple years back with a "One-and-Done" theme based on ousting EVERY elected official every election cycle for at least three cycles to get the message across. People don't understand, don't know what's going on, and they like it that way. More's the pity because it's these aloof morons who will ultimately suffer the worst.

Heck, even around here of FTF we have plenty of folks clamoring for Romney even though he sucks. What do you do with that?? I mean, apart from saving seeds, storing food, general prepping, and buying more ammo?
I think people are just looking at getting rid of osamaobama, because they view him as the evil part of our task masters. When if we control the house, and senate then the president just becomes a figure head with no teeth.

I am just not a big fan of the lesser of two evils, but rather **** canning them all and starting over.
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