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Old 07-06-2012, 04:56 AM   #31
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Gun rights is a single issue for gun owners focus on that. Leave the jobs BS on the bath room floor. No president in my life ever gave me a job. But the Dems are the only party with gun control as a plank in their platform. In 1968 the most sweeping gun control act ever was passsed by the Dems. If you want to trash the Republicans and the NRA you stand with the left and Hollywood. Hell stay up and watch Dave Letterman. I will listen to Rush in the morning.

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Gun rights is a single issue for gun owners focus on that. Leave the jobs BS on the bath room floor. No president in my life ever gave me a job. But the Dems are the only party with gun control as a plank in their platform. In 1968 the most sweeping gun control act ever was passsed by the Dems. If you want to trash the Republicans and the NRA you stand with the left and Hollywood. Hell stay up and watch Dave Letterman. I will listen to Rush in the morning.
And written, in some passages VERBATIM by adolf hitler.
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Vincent Thx you are a student of history very good post. Problem is many posters on the forum missed a lot of history classes.

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Gun rights is a single issue for gun owners focus on that. Leave the jobs BS on the bath room floor. No president in my life ever gave me a job. But the Dems are the only party with gun control as a plank in their platform. In 1968 the most sweeping gun control act ever was passsed by the Dems. If you want to trash the Republicans and the NRA you stand with the left and Hollywood. Hell stay up and watch Dave Letterman. I will listen to Rush in the morning.
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Vincent Thx you are a student of history very good post. Problem is many posters on the forum missed a lot of history classes.
and in all the years that followed the GOP and NRA did what exactly to repeal it? and since you are such a student of history, how about a lesson

http://www.answers.com/topic/gun-control-act-of-1968

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Interestingly, the National Rifle Association (NRA) leaders initially supported the measures and even engaged in drafting Dodd's bill. Yet the NRA leadership did not wish to alienate its more radical rank and file, so they neglected to divulge this to their members. Instead, in a letter to each of its affiliates, the NRA claimed its executive vice-president testified against the bill and prevented it from being voted out of Committee. The NRA publication The Rifleman criticized the bill as a product of "irrational emotionalism," and the first four issues of The Rifleman in 1964 dedicated more than thirty columns to firearms legislation, never telling its members of the NRA leadership's support of the bill.
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And written, in some passages VERBATIM by adolf hitler.
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Vincent Thx you are a student of history very good post. Problem is many posters on the forum missed a lot of history classes.
i looked up the Gun Control Act of 1968 and looked up the one Hitler drew up in 1933 i believe and the wording and context are so similar, you would almost think the same person wrote both. scary!

another member, i can't recall who, mentioned voting also with our wallets. this made very good sense. we as gun owners need to do only business with companies and establishments that support the 2nd admendment and gun owners. let's hurt them where it really makes a difference, the bottom line of their profits. this along with voting in November for the candidates that support our rights, could cause a positive change in attitudes towards gun rights. lets see about making some type of list that lists business's and companies that are pro anti-gun and as gun owners and supporters of the 2nd admendment, refuse to do any business with them. let them feed off the liberals!
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Anyway, they (the Obama socialists) have an advantage we do not, even with the NRA on our side: They won't hesitate to ignore the law and the constitution. That's a difficult advantage to overcome.
So they have a common MO

of the standard gun-toting

criminal. Ergo, you would think it would then be

inherently obvious to them why

gun control measures are always

destined to fail. Which, in the long run,

demonstrates why sharing 1 brain cell

between them is such a poor idea...
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If you want to trash the Republicans and the NRA you stand with the left and Hollywood.
You might want to do a little more research on republicans and their history with gun control legislation. Granted, they're not as bad as dems, but many in the GOP have had their moments of shame.

Top Republican Rep. Pete King (R) to Introduce Gun-Control Legislation

"Guns are an abomination" -Richard Nixon
Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

Bush Sr. banned import of "assault" weapons in 1989 and supported the idea that we should only have guns suitable for sporting purposes.

Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street."

"I support the Brady Bill, and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." Ronald Reagan, March 28, 1991 speech

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

August 10, 2000 Republican governor George Pataki (New York) signed "the nation's strictest gun control" laws mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

The ominous Assault Weapons Ban that passed in 1994 was a key part of H.R. 3355, The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Despite some people saying the bill was authored by Joe Biden, they're wrong. The author was Rep. Jack Brooks from Texas. Biden wasn't even a sponsor. Right wing gun enthusiasts claim Democrats are the bad guys, trying to take away their guns, but an examination of the voting record shows nothing of the sort.

In the House of Representatives, the vote was not even close. A "verbal vote" was cast so there is not even a record in the House of who voted for/against. There was not enough opposition to even require more detailed voting processes.

In the Senate, the story is much the same, but the senators' votes are on record, and we can see in no-uncertain terms that the Republicans supported the assault weapons ban just as much as the democrats. Here's how the actual vote went down:

Number of Democrats voting for the AWB: 50/53 (94.3%)
Number of Republicans voting for the AWB: 45/47 (95.7%)

Yes, among Republicans in the Senate, a higher percentage supported the AWB than Democrats!

Republicans:
Richard Shelby (AL), Frank Murkowski, Ted Stevens (AK), JOHN MCCAIN (AZ), Christopher Bond (MO), Conrad Burns (MT), Judd Gregg, Bob Smith (NH), Pete Domenici (NM), Alfonse D'Amato (NY), Duncan Faircloth, Jesse Helms (NC), Don Nickles (OK), Robert Packwood (OR), Arlen Specter (PA), John Chafee (RI), J. Thurmond (SC), Larry Pressler (SD), Kay Hutchison (TX), George Brown, Ben Campbell (CO), William Roth (DE), Connie MAck (FL), Paul Coverdell (GA), Larry Craig, Dirk Kempthorne (ID), Daniel Coats, Richard Lugar (IN), Charles Grassley (IA), Bob Dole, Nancy Kassebaum (KS), Mitch McConnell (KY), William Cohen (ME), Thad Cochran, Trent Lott (MS), Robert Bennett, Orrin Hatch (UT), James Jeffords (VT), John Warner (VA), T. Gorton (WA), Alan Simpson, Malcolm Wallop (WY)

Democrats:
Howell Heflin (AL) Dennis DeConcini (AZ), Dale Bumpers, David Pryor (AR) Barara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein (CA), Max Baucus (MT), J. Exon, J. Kerrey (NE), Richard Bryan, Harry Reid (NV), William Bradley, Frank Lautenberg (NJ), Jef Bingaman (NM), Daniel Moynihan (NY), John Glenn, Howard Metzenbaum (OH), David Boren (OK), Harris Wofford (PA), Claiborne Pell (RI), Ernest Hollings (SC), Tom Daschle (SD), Harlan Matthews, James Sasser (TN), Chris Dodd, Joe Lieberman (CT), Joe Biden (DE), Bob Graham (FL), Sam Nunn (GA), Daniel Akaka, Daniel Inouye (HI), Carol Braun (IL), Thomas Harkin (IA), Wendell Ford (KY), John Breaux, John Johnston (LA), George Mitchell (ME), Barbara Mikulski, Paul Sarbanes (MD), Edward Kennedy, John Kerry (MA), Carl Levin, Don Riegle (MI), Paul Wellstone (MN), Pat Leahy (VT), Charles Robb (VA), Patty Murray (WA), Robert Byrd, John Rockefeller (WV), Herbert Kohl (WI)

HR6257, the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 was authored by three Republicans and no Democrats.

The NRA started to teach people how to shoot. It was not a political organization. You don't have to dig too deep to see the many disgraceful ways the NRA has capitulated on gun-control laws. It is what it is. But it sure isn't the GOA or JPFO.

Putting an organization like the NRA or a party like the GOP on a pedestal will get you burned. Don't mistakenly believe either party, as a whole, stands for anything because neither party does.
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After the AWB expired another Republican Mark Kirk of Ill. Submitted his own AWB which was far worse then the first one. He had 4 co-sponcers and they were also Republicans. Gun control is not a party issue, but rather an issue of control, and that incompasses all party lines and beliefs.

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Gun control is not a party issue, but rather an issue of control, and that incompasses all party lines and beliefs.
Sorry to edit your post and quote, but this right here is the heart of the issue. Dem or Repub. all they want to do is control the people. They live in fear of the people because WE are the ones that can limit their control and they don't like it.
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After the AWB expired another Republican Mark Kirk of Ill. Submitted his own AWB which was far worse then the first one. He had 4 co-sponcers and they were also Republicans. Gun control is not a party issue, but rather an issue of control, and that incompasses all party lines and beliefs.
Amen to that
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