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Old 12-27-2012, 11:14 PM   #61
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I don't see why the LEO's should be dragged into this. The whole thing is an abomination..it should all be directed at the publication.
Because law enforcement agencies in NY are the stewards of the information that has been made public. The law, as amended on 2/24 of this year clearly states that such information shall be for law enforcement use only ...

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S T A T E O F N E W Y O R K
__________________________________________________ ______________________

9388

I N A S S E M B L Y

February 24, 2012
___________

Introduced by M. of A. MAGEE -- read once and referred to the Committee
on Codes

AN ACT to amend the penal law, in relation to pistol permit privacy

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEM-
BLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

1 Section 1. Subdivision 5 of section 400.00 of the penal law, as
2 amended by chapter 332 of the laws of 1994, is amended to read as
3 follows:
4 5. Filing of approved applications. (A) The application for any
5 license, if granted, shall be filed by the licensing officer with the
6 clerk of the county of issuance, except that in the city of New York
7 and, in the counties of Nassau and Suffolk, the licensing officer shall
8 designate the place of filing in the appropriate division, bureau or
9 unit of the police department thereof, and in the county of Suffolk the
10 county clerk is hereby authorized to transfer all records or applica-
11 tions relating to firearms to the licensing authority of that county.
12 The name and address of any person to whom an application for any
13 license has been granted shall be [a public record] CONFIDENTIAL AND
14 SHALL NOT BE MADE AVAILABLE EXCEPT AS SET FORTH IN PARAGRAPH (B) OF THIS
15 SUBDIVISION
. Upon application by a licensee who has changed his place
16 of residence such records or applications shall be transferred to the
17 appropriate officer at the licensee's new place of residence. A dupli-
18 cate copy of such application shall be filed by the licensing officer in
19 the executive department, division of state police, Albany, within ten
20 days after issuance of the license. Nothing in this subdivision shall be
21 construed to change the expiration date or term of such licenses if
22 otherwise provided for in law.
23 (B) THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL MAINTAIN AN AUTOMATED LISTING
24 OF EVERY LICENSE HOLDER ISSUED A LICENSE FOR A PISTOL OR REVOLVER PURSU-
25 ANT TO THIS SECTION. SUCH LISTING SHALL BE MADE AVAILABLE, UPON REQUEST,
26 PROVIDED, THAT:
27 (I) ONLY REQUESTS RELATING TO A NAMED LICENSEE SHALL BE HONORED OR
28 MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE; AND

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
[ ] is old law to be omitted.
LBD05965-05-1
A. 9388 2

1 (II) A REQUEST FOR THE ENTIRE LIST OF LICENSEES, OR FOR ALL LICENSEES
2 IN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA, SHALL BE DENIED, EXCEPT TO ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT
3 AGENCY OR ANY ENTITY ACTING ON BEHALF OF OR PROVIDING SERVICES TO ANY
4 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

5 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SUBDIVISION, THE TERM "LAW ENFORCEMENT AGEN-
6 CY" SHALL MEAN THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE, ANY NEW YORK STATE COUNTY
7 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT OF ANY CITY, VILLAGE OR TOWN
8 WITHIN NEW YORK STATE, THE POLICE FORCE OF ANY NEW YORK STATE AUTHORITY
9 OR AGENCY, THE STATE POLICE FORCE OF ANY OTHER STATE, ANY FEDERAL LAW
10 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND ANY DISTRICT ATTORNEY OFFICE IN NEW YORK STATE.
11 S 2. This act shall take effect immediately.
so either one of the law enforcement agencies charged with this duty was derelict and released the information, or Mr Dwight R Worley misrepresented himself in his freedom of information request or a combination of the two or worse ...

The fact that such lists exist and that the Governing agencies would allow this information to be released and for some ideologue punk to go and publish the information should be a stark wake up call for gun owners and 2A advocates!


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Gee, and I thought "the government" was here to protect me!
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Gee, and I thought "the government" was here to protect me!
No, no, no, no, no ..... they are here to punish and enslave you!


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I would say that rank and file police officers are enough of a target in uniform than to have their personal information out of it splashed about. If that's a double-standard, OK.
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I would say that rank and file police officers are enough of a target in uniform than to have their personal information out of it splashed about. If that's a double-standard, OK.
It is a double standard and as much respect as I have for LEO's I find them to be in no way special...much to there surprise.

Perhaps putting them in the same boat, exposed in the same manner, and suffering the same fears as there law abiding civilian counterparts will open there eyes to the fact that there NOT special AND that if they ate willing to sit back and allow US to be exposed to criminal attack, we are willing to ensure they suffer the same exposure, the same risk to there lived ones.

What's good for the goose is most definitely good for the gander.

Of course NY's finest still have 16 hours to avert the disclosure of there info. All that is required is for them to do the right thing and arrest the perpetrators who exposed us.

Failure to do so will ensure they are equally exposed.

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Follow up lists are currently being compiled on the POTUS's Secret Service Team...next week we will get to see how the President feels when those charged with his protection are exposed, identified, and located for the world to see.

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Because law enforcement agencies in NY are the stewards of the information that has been made public. The law, as amended on 2/24 of this year clearly states that such information shall be for law enforcement use only ...



so either one of the law enforcement agencies charged with this duty was derelict and released the information, or Mr Dwight R Worley misrepresented himself in his freedom of information request or a combination of the two or worse ...

The fact that such lists exist and that the Governing agencies would allow this information to be released and for some ideologue punk to go and publish the information should be a stark wake up call for gun owners and 2A advocates!


No debate! No compromise! MOLON LABE!!!

Thanks for that info dog..I still maintain the rank and file be left alone. This was an administrative decision. They should be taken to task.
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Thanks for that info dog..I still maintain the rank and file be left alone. This was an administrative decision. They should be taken to task.
I disagree Sonic. NY's gun owners are not the NRA. Many of them may be members but they do not NRA POLICY, yet the've been exposed simply for owning a gun.

If NY's cops can't find criminal fault in this act then they fully deserve to share the same risk.

Special groups being allowed to sit peacefully on the sidelines will guarantee conflict.

Rational minds begin to pay attention when there family lands on a target list.

If there is nothing objectionable about the list, then cops should have no objection to joining it...which they will do in 13 hours and 16 minutes.

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The average beat cop doesn't even know about this. Are you in it to force the hand that's responsible? or just the confrontational aspect and cause as much collateral damage as possible. I'm all for going after those directly responsible.
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Thanks for that info dog..I still maintain the rank and file be left alone. This was an administrative decision. They should be taken to task.
you haven't had much interaction with the NY State Police, the Rockland, Westchester or Putnam Sheriff's Departments or the NYPD have you?

as a whole ... fuck them! they walk lock step to the beat of their bosses drums
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you haven't had much interaction with the NY State Police, the Rockland, Westchester or Putnam Sheriff's Departments or the NYPD have you?

as a whole ... fuck them! they walk lock step to the beat of their bosses drums
Yeah..I'm just a naive pup. I'll have to look closer at this to see if addressing directly to those responsible has been tried. If so, and it didn't work...then it's time to play hardball.
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