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Old 04-13-2014, 01:45 AM   #11
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People need to get over the idea that morality can be legislated. We can keep an orderly society but we can't make people behave.

I dunno with the way the war on drugs is working maybe we should let guns be outlawed. Then everyone will have a gun and the price will drop by half.
WTH?

what does morality have anything to do with the 2nd amendment?

what does the war on drugs have to with the 2nd amendment?

please stay on topic JD.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:12 AM   #12
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These gun control lib ninnies keep

sewing themselves into a tighter and

tighter bag.

Do they ever think, BEFORE they speak?

Sooo, now, as a GC measure, they want to

train us all as militiamen?

Hey, eff it, where do I sign up? Do we

get meals, uniforms, and ammo?

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I would have taken the militia out of 2A altogether. That passage has obscured the meaning of RKBA just enough to keep it under relentless assault since before I can remember. The Founders were very smart, but they weren't palm readers. They did not foresee the rise of a parasitic underclass with no desire for responsibility as individuals.

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An extremely intelligent friend of mine, gun owner, corporate exec type honestly believes the bill of rights was designed by the founding fathers to be adjusted over time.

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An extremely intelligent friend of mine, gun owner, corporate exec type honestly believes the bill of rights was designed by the founding fathers to be adjusted over time.
I agree that our understanding of our Natural Rights evolves as we grow as a species. The founders even included a method by which we could include that deeper understanding in our founding documents. It is the Amendment Process. However, at this point I will accept NOTHING that comes out of DC unless it fits with MY understanding of Original Intent. If they attempt yet more curtailments of our Natural Rights in such an aggressive manner they will fail, even if they attempt to use the Amendment Process. I feel that the Citizenry is tired of the government pulling Wacos and Ruby Ridges. They provoke us at their peril.
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The Founding Fathers fixed it just fine during the drafting and final revision of our Bill of Rights.

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An extremely intelligent friend of mine, gun owner, corporate exec type honestly believes the bill of rights was designed by the founding fathers to be adjusted over time.
Thomas Jefferson supported that view as well.

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Jefferson wrote, “Every constitution, then, and every law, natural expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”
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Do not fold, spindle, mutilate or Fetter it, I like it just the way it is! Simple, Direct and Clear about the right and purpose of that right. Republicrats and Lawyers dont like absolutes cause they leave no room for purchasing unction from them. As Jon pointed out, the comma wasnt a mistake, it was there to justify the second part, because we will have one (an organized military commanded by our government), we must have the other (the capability to prevent them from tyrannizing us if they try).

Dont change a thing, its fine. Change minds that think you can require all humans to reason appropriately at all times. Humans are imperfect, were not programmed like a PC, were all capable of good and bad, some do one more than the other.

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What these revisionists know full well but will never admit is that the founders never even considered limiting the liberty of the individual to do as he pleases as long as that activity didn't encroach on the liberty of another. The entire bill of rights -except for the 9th amendment- were put in place as preexisting basic fundamental human rights and codified limitations on government power.
Telling our founders at the time of the founding or even before the revolution that they couldn't have the same equipment that the standing military had because they might hurt themselves or others would have got you laughed out of town or declared to be the town loon.

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The 2A has already been re-written and they change it quite offten as we speak, the gun grabbers and libtards are working it Now on Capital Hill.

In case you didn't know it, your Gun rights are slowly disappearing before your eyes.

Our President Just signed a 1.1 billon dollar gun safety bill that stinks like a dead rat, further alowing the fight to band Semi-auto rifles, High cap Mags, Smart bracelet guns, etc......

re-writing the 2A will do no good for the simple fact that Washington does not follow it to begin with. They just change and make up the rules as they go and keep bring it back to the table, one day it will pass

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