Feedback for Defining the 2nd Amendment
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > General Firearms Forums > Legal and Activism > Feedback for Defining the 2nd Amendment

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-19-2012, 11:50 PM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
cjbubbadoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Roy,WA
Posts: 27
Default Feedback for Defining the 2nd Amendment

As there are two parts to the amendment, and I believe that it has become very clear that the responsibilty of gun ownership is not clear to all. I live in Washington state and there is a organized militia of sorts there are 53 members in my county. What I am putting out for thoughts and concerns: Seperating the militia from the people, a militia being organized would require a regular meetings and training events. The right of the people to be able to defend themselves and property from realistic threats if they are not a member of the militia needs to be maintained. We could categorize the weapons for militia and for personal defense. I would like to get some feed back, I believe we have a short period of time before congress or the white house may do something that could affect us all in a bad way.
We need to give the Vice President something that would make sense the majority of people and still not lose out on what the 2nd amendment means to this country. Who knows if we get this right, the militias can be come more than just a few members strong, but what the constitution intended them to be. Maybe there is someone here that can get a electronic petition to VP Biden. President Obama said they would consider all good ideas and even look at the bad ones.

__________________

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain

cjbubbadoc is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 12-20-2012, 02:07 AM   #2
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CA357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Oregon
Posts: 19,871
Liked 1175 Times on 510 Posts
Likes Given: 2978

Default

"Shall NOT be infringed" needs NO clarification. Screw the gun grabbing bastards, we shouldn't have to explain a damn thing. We don't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem.

__________________
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”Samuel Adams
CA357 is offline  
5
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 12:16 AM   #3
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
cjbubbadoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Roy,WA
Posts: 27
Default

I agree with you, unfortunatley support is failing for the 2nd amendment as it is written. If we can't find a way to keep it as is, it is going to change to fit the people that are scared of guns. I'm just floating an idea that may help to keep it just the way it is, and get us past the political atmosphere of today.

__________________

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain

cjbubbadoc is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 01:17 AM   #4
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CA357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Oregon
Posts: 19,871
Liked 1175 Times on 510 Posts
Likes Given: 2978

Default

I realize that and my response wasn't directed to you. I'm just tired of explaining "Rights" to asshats.

I'm at an age and a point in my life where I will no longer attempt to appease or debate the ill informed, the paranoid or the intentionally ignorant.

__________________
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”Samuel Adams

Last edited by CA357; 12-21-2012 at 01:49 AM.
CA357 is offline  
3
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 01:23 AM   #5
The Apocalypse Is Coming.....
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 28,709
Liked 21997 Times on 12402 Posts
Likes Given: 53672

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CA357 View Post
"Shall NOT be infringed" needs NO clarification. Screw the gun grabbing bastards, we shouldn't have to explain a damn thing. We don't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem.
i have to agree with CA357 on this. too many people like to make it more difficult than it needs to be. i simply believe in the context that the founding fathers meant it to mean, "shall not be infringed" is what they meant. they wanted the power to be in the citizens control, not the government. so for people to want to redefine the 2nd admendment is rather stupid and arrogant on their part. the founding fathers and writers of the Constitution were men of vision and rather intelligent men who also possessed a vast amount of common sense.
__________________
Axxe55 is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 01:29 AM   #6
fmj
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
fmj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Fort Wayne,IN
Posts: 3,454
Liked 753 Times on 437 Posts
Likes Given: 306

Default

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state

^^^ statement of fact^^^


The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

^^^ reminder to those in Govt and elsewhere^^^

Militia needs not be organized. A militia is understood to be any person that is old enough to use a weapon to defend his property, family or self.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
needs no explanation...or shouldnt!

__________________
"Those that would trade essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." - Benjammin Franklin

The 1911: Turning useless trash into good fertilizer for over 100 years!!
fmj is offline  
3
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 01:35 AM   #7
The Apocalypse Is Coming.....
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 28,709
Liked 21997 Times on 12402 Posts
Likes Given: 53672

Default

personally, i don't think the 2nd admendment needs defining or redefining, just many people need to be educated or re-educated!

IMO, the 2nd admendment is the protector of all our other admendments. if we ever were to lose the 2nd, there is quite the posibility we will lose all the others.

__________________
Axxe55 is offline  
CA357 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 01:55 AM   #8
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CA357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Oregon
Posts: 19,871
Liked 1175 Times on 510 Posts
Likes Given: 2978

Default

Well, these bastards "don't want to let a crisis go to waste". They're going to give it their best shot while many are ready to capitulate and the sheep are inflamed with self righteousness. Remember, the left just assumes it always has the high ground. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth.

If you haven't read "Rules for Radicals", get it and read it now. It will explain the imperial presidency and its policies.

__________________
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”Samuel Adams
CA357 is offline  
axxe55 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 05:40 PM   #9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 34
Liked 11 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 8

Default

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, or self-defense. The 2nd Amendment simply codifies the right of any people to oppose tyranny in their government.

__________________

Regards, Larry
"Common sense is not so common." Voltaire
"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword; the other is by debt." John Adams

LarryinCo is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 05:59 PM   #10
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Stillersfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 520
Liked 79 Times on 60 Posts
Likes Given: 366

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CA357 View Post
"Shall NOT be infringed" needs NO clarification. Screw the gun grabbing bastards, we shouldn't have to explain a damn thing. We don't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem.

Or a mental illness problem that everyone seems to ignore. They have been shutting down mental hospitals for years and then they put the oweness on people who are not equipped professionally to handle it. It’s not fair, and it’s only going to get worse.
__________________
Gun Control: The ability to get perfect groups on center mass under extreme stress.

Sig P220 Equinox, Sig P238
CZ P01 SDP, CZ 75-PCR
Glock 19
S&W M&P 45ACP, S&W M&P Shield 9MM
Kimber Ultra Carry II
Kimber Sapphire Ultra Carry II
Kimber Stainless Pro Raptor II
Kel Tec PF9, Kel Tec P32
Ruger SR9, Ruger SR9C
Remington 887 Nitro Mag Tactical (12g)
Walther PPS
Ruger SR556E
Springfield XDs 9MM/45 ACP
SKS Chinese Norinco
Mosin Nagant 91/30 (2)
NRA Member
Stillersfan is offline  
CA357 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
Looking into my first AR, looking for feedback StainlessSteel215 AR-15 Discussion 8 12-13-2012 08:12 PM
Need some feedback. I_walk_that_line General Rifle Discussion 3 12-21-2009 10:18 AM
Need Feedback Please Dillinger AR-15 Discussion 17 11-12-2008 10:23 PM