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Jo da Plumbr 04-09-2010 12:53 AM

Federal Homeowners Tax?
Has anyone heard anything about this?

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Hows the change thing working out for ya? Heres some more BS coming at you



A License Required for your HOUSE?

If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this email is the Google link to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this. No one will be buying homes in the future.

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and are being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington ! This Congress and their "experts" are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.A.

A License will be required for your longer just for cars and mobile homes....Thinking about selling your house? Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Home owners take note and tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning one year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this "Cap & Trade" bill, passed by the House of Representatives. If it is also passed by the Senate, it will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure that these voters will get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else..

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house without some bureaucrat's OK. Yes, you read that right.

The caveat (there always is a caveat) is that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be required to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act, to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.

Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.

And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress. Then the Administrator can set new standards every year.

The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 - Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America .

Beginning one year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with its energy and water efficiency standards. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (expen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!

The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (that includes YOU?) and prevent you from qualifying for the grants.

Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help the EPA. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.

But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California ? It would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate.

Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that one year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

CHECK OUT a few of the sites;

Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home http://www.nachi. org/forum/ f14/cap-and- trade-license- required- your-home- 44750/

HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: http://www.govtrack .us/congress/ bill.xpd? bill=h111- 2454

Cap & Trade A license required for your home: Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home

Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:
http://www.sfexamin columns/oped_ contributors/ Cap-and-trade- is-a-license- to-cheat- and-steal- 45371937. html
Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home (Thinking about selling your house? HA!)

Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:

The Federal Observer

Google search?hl= en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859- 1&q=A+License+ required+ for+your+ home-+Cap+ and+Trade&btnG=Google+ Search

opaww 04-09-2010 01:08 AM

You should of posted this in the politican section...this is for gun politics...but they can kiss my ass and STFU and go away

CA357 04-09-2010 01:14 AM

Rope, tree, politician. Some assembly required.

Car54 04-09-2010 03:07 AM

I checked on and came up with the following;

Organizations that took a position on
American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009: On Passage - House - H.R. 2454 American Clean Energy and Security Act

60 organizations support this bill

AES Corporation
alliance for climate protection
American Rivers
Applied Materials
Aspen Snowmass
austin energy
Avista Corporation
Boston Scientific Corporation
Chrysler LLC
Clean Water Action
Clif Bar and Company
climate solutions
Communications Workers of America
Deere & Company
Dow Chemical Company
Duke Energy Corporation
eBay, Inc.
Environment America
Environmental Defense Fund
Exelon Corporation
Ford Motor Company
FPL Group
General Electric
General Motors
Hewlett Packard
Johnson & Johnson
Kleiner Perkins et al
Laborers' International Union of North America
League of Conservation Voters
Levi Strauss & Co.
National Audubon Society
National Grid
Natural Resources Defense Council
Nature Conservancy
NRG Energy
One Sky
Oxfam America
Pacific Gas and Electric
Pew Environment Group
PNM Resources
Public Service Enterprise Group
Rio Tinto
Service Employees International Union
Seventh Generation
Siemens Corporation
Sierra Club
starbucks corporation
Symantec Corporation
The American Civil Rights Union
Union of Concerned Scientists
United Steelworkers
Utility Workers Union of America
World Resources Institute
20 organizations oppose this bill

Alliance for Worker Freedom
American Conservative Union
American Farm Bureau
American Petroleum Institute
American Shareholders Association
Americans for Tax Reform
BP America
Caterpillar Inc
College Republican National Committee
Ethan Allen Institute
Friends of the Earth
international rivers
Murray Energy Corporation
National Mining Association
National Pork Producers Council
National Taxpayers Union
Public Citizen
Rainforest Action Network

Car54 04-09-2010 03:14 AM

Another interseting thing, look how much money supporters gave to the house members who voted for the bill: Maybe we should boycot the companies who support this bill.

Average contributions given to House members from interest groups that…

Republican/Conservative (split)Average given to House members by those who were opposed to the the bill:

$3,3214.2 times as much

Republican/Conservative (split)Average given to House members who were supported by the groups in favor of the bill:

31% more

Yunus 04-09-2010 10:51 AM

I read the text of the bill in the sections mentioned, 202 and 204 and the summary of those sections. I didn't see anything like what the article said. Plus I went to and found this Cap and Trade Energy Bill

If you think snopes is wrong, and that the article in the orginial post is correct, please post something out of the bill that you think means you can't sell your home without approval. All those sections talked about was having a program like Energy Star but for homes instead of appliances. It also provided funding to people that spent money to improve their homes efficiency.

I'm not saying I support the bill but those articles are full of S***.

Bigcountry02 04-09-2010 09:05 PM

The information is from HR 2454, there was nothing indicated on home re-sale; however, the wording of retrofit comes into play. Do not know what the Secretary of Energy and his administration will put into play regarding this regulation; however, it is not passed the Senate. I have an itch that the Obama administration will use the EPA to pass this without using the legislative process. :mad:

Go to page 350, SEC. 202 (b) Establishment - The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family residences.

Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) program is where the residential and non-residential policies will be under.

Page 355 SEC. 202 (f) Elements of REEP Program, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c)

Page 356 SEC. 202 (f) (7) A requirement that building retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance, unless inappropriate due to green roof management, solar production or other reasons identified by the Administrator, .....

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