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Old 03-29-2014, 04:27 AM   #1
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Default FBI, EPA & Local Police raids USA Brass in Bozeman

Another raid and this happened in Bozeman, MT on USA Brass.

More excuses to go after the ammunition in one way or another.

http://m.nbcmontana.com/news/fbi-raids-bozeman-based-usa-brass/25195168

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Old 03-29-2014, 05:52 AM   #2
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They allegedly failed to isue protective gear to workers sorting and cleaning fired brass. Many tested with high lead levels. Shame on USA brass. At least a mask and some training on washing their hands prior to eating/smoknig. I see crews around here doing lead abatement with no protective gear. Just stupid.
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They allegedly failed to isue protective gear to workers sorting and cleaning fired brass. Many tested with high lead levels. Shame on USA brass. At least a mask and some training on washing their hands prior to eating/smoknig. I see crews around here doing lead abatement with no protective gear. Just stupid.
How does that call for a raid from numerous agencies though? A fine, or threat of being closed down would have probably sufficed.
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i will cry no tears for USA brass. The owners of USA Brass cared less about the safety of their workers. Lead poisioning is a serious thing; i've had it-twice.

This is not the first time USA Brass has been in trouble with the feds over lead exposure of their workers. The company owners learned nothing after it's first run-in with federal regulatory agencies.

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USA Brass cleans and resells used ammunition casings. Last fall the Gallatin City-County Health Department reported 22 people, all current or former USA Brass employees showed elevated levels of lead in their blood. In September of 2013 the US Department of Labor cited USA Brass with 10 serious violations and proposed more than $45,000 in penalties and fines.

Occupational Safety and Health Administration, OSHA, workers found the company overexposed workers to lead and failed to provide basic safeguards to reduce lead exposure, including breathing protection and protective clothing.
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i will cry no tears for USA brass. The owners of USA Brass cared less about the safety of their workers. Lead poisioning is a serious thing; i've had it-twice.

This is not the first time USA Brass has been in trouble with the feds over lead exposure of their workers. The company owners learned nothing after it's first run-in with federal regulatory agencies.

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When did they have exposure issues in the past? If you are referring to the Sept 2013 Issue, I believe that is part of this same investigating and raid.
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Maybe, maybe not. OSHA cited USA Brass for violations of workplace law. Just found evidence that the company was recently inspected by OSHA and given a pass. EPA is concerned with environmental law. For example if a company washed fired cartridge cartridge cases and flushed the wash water down the drain, that could be a violation of environmental law.

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=2 4912
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First off, the EPA has a "criminal section", but they are investigators, not cops. When there are criminal violations, they have to call other agencies to help with the raid (or risk a bunch of chemists getting into a Miami shootout scenario). You call the people trained for the job at hand. Feds routinely call local LE so there are marked patrol cars and identifiable uniforms onscene.

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First off, the EPA has a "criminal section", but they are investigators, not cops. When there are criminal violations, they have to call other agencies to help with the raid (or risk a bunch of chemists getting into a Miami shootout scenario). You call the people trained for the job at hand. Feds routinely call local LE so there are marked patrol cars and identifiable uniforms onscene.
That was a good explanation.

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That was unnecessary. The explanation was enough to convince me, and probably others.

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First off, the EPA has a "criminal section", but they are investigators, not cops. When there are criminal violations, they have to call other agencies to help with the raid (or risk a bunch of chemists getting into a Miami shootout scenario). You call the people trained for the job at hand. Feds routinely call local LE so there are marked patrol cars and identifiable uniforms onscene.

Get over your selves
That sounds reasonable but before the judgement is passed, its important to note the the Department of Education has a SWAT team. So to think that EPA doesn't have all the needed tools isn't a reach.
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