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Old 06-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #11
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Project Gunrunner started under the Bush administration in 2006. Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009. F&F was the brainchild of the career bureaucrats in the Phoenix office of the BATFE and the federal prosecutor for AZ.

Project Gunrunner is an ongoing BATFE operation.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/
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Everybody is simply moving on.

Channel 7 can't sell enough hard-on pills, with

F&F as a story, anymore.

Congress is finding fresher issues with which to pander

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Don't blame the media for lack of progress on Fast and Furious: Blame the sorry foot draggers in congress. Republicans in congress made Holder the focus of their "investigation" when the focus should have been on the DEA, the BATFE and Holder.

CBS gave secret recordings they obtained to Grassley and Issa. One tape is a converation between a gun dealer who sold walked guns and Hope MacAllister, a BATFE agent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108965-10391695.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

The perps who devised and ran Fast and Furious were career employees of the BATFE. F&F was done with the blessing of the BATFE higher ups and the US prosecutor for AZ and others in the DOJ, the DEA and, perhaps, other agencies.

Republicans in the US congress don't have the guts overhaul the BATFE because reining in the BATFE would inhibit the ability of future anti-gun Republican presidents like Romney and Big Daddy Bush to violate our Second Amendment rights. Anyone remember Ruby Ridge?

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ok im out of the loop right now. what are they investigating all i know is f&f lost track of firearms and a border patrol man was killed can someone fill me in please
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The Dems used the JFK shooting to pass the 1968 Gun Laws. They used this to add the BATF to the enforcement of thier gun laws. The Dems used used the 1950s gang "Zip" guns to ban enexpensive handgun imports. Obama and Holder intended to use this F&F to pass more gun bans. The Republicans may not have carried on a strong fight. That said however, they were the only ones to even question it. No Dems have tried to investigate this crime.
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I've often wondered if Ramos and Campione stumbled across F&F and that's why they were railroaded. We'll never know because the terms of their commutations require them to keep there mouth shut.

As far as more "details" on F&F,you might try infowars.com
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Really? Sourcing Alex Jones?
Yeah, I have to agree - Alex Jones is not a source I would ever rely on.

If you want the straight scoop on Fast & Furious, go to the blogs of the two guys who broke the story and hooked ATF whistleblowers up to Issa and Grassley: Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea. You will need to dig a little, but the info is there.
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ok im out of the loop right now. what are they investigating all i know is f&f lost track of firearms and a border patrol man was killed can someone fill me in please
Firearms were allowed to be illegally sold to straw purchasers in Arizona and elsewhere for shipment to Mexican cartels. The Mexican authorities were not aware of this operation. There was no way to track the firearms once they crossed the border. Over 2000 weapons were delivered to cartels this way. The BATFE ran the operation.

Several hundred Mexicans are dead as a result - firearms found at the scenes have serial numbers matching those sold in the straw purchases. At least two American federal agents were killed with rifles bought for F&F: Jaime Zapata and Brian Terry.

The Mexicans are not happy. Several ATF agents have come forward as whistle blowers and had their lives turned upside down in retribution. Several mid- and high-level ATF people have resigned or been transferred out of the Arizona office.

The congressional investigation seeks to find out who authorized a plan that could not succeed: that is, allow weapons to cross into a foreign nation for use in criminal activities with no way of tracking the weapons once they crossed the border. Also, since the ATF is part of the Department of Justice, they want to know who knew about this operation when.

DOJ chief Holder has withheld many subpoenaed documents and may find himself in contempt of congress.

The theory out there now is that this operation was set up to fail exactly the way it did in order to illustrate the need to clamp down on gun laws in the U.S. In other words, they allegedly sacrificed hundreds of lives to push an anti-gun agenda.
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Some Republicans also voted for the gun control act of 1968. Big Daddy Bush was the only member of the TX Republican delegation to vote for the GCA 1968.

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Mags/George-Bush-and-the-NRA.htm
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You guys need to realize that niether Political party gives a damn about the Constitution, and there is virtualy no difference in any of their policies only in there timing. This is why the Teaparty revolt is so critical, its an attempt to "republicanise" the Republican party.
A boat load of truth in that statement. We need more republicans and less Republicans.


As Mike Church says, if you don't know what "little r" republican means, you are part of the problem.
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