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Sonic82 12-30-2011 11:38 AM

Excercise your 'opportunity' to vote...
 
You cannot be discriminated against for your race or sex when voting... it is guaranteed in the Constitution. However, there is nothing in the Constitution stating you actually have a 'right' to vote.....we should all be thankful for the privilege.

c3shooter 12-30-2011 11:42 AM

Have to disagree with the "no right" portion of above. See Amendment 14, section 2-

"But when the right to vote........."

Sonic82 12-30-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 662740)
Have to disagree with the "no right" portion of above. See Amendment 14, section 2-

"But when the right to vote........."

I think that discusses states and how they are to handle it. This is from the following site....... Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net .... "in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example."

...and this; Beyond the Voting Rights Act:
Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote
By Jeff Milchen
August 8, 2005- Beyond the Voting Rights Act:

BigByrd47119 12-31-2011 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic82 (Post 662777)
I think that discusses states and how they are to handle it. This is from the following site....... Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net .... "in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example."

...and this; Beyond the Voting Rights Act:
Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote
By Jeff Milchen
August 8, 2005- Beyond the Voting Rights Act:

Its an interesting concept and I would agree...kind of. Is not the right to free speech and liberty where we derive the right to vote from? A people missing either liberty or free speech could very possibly be forbid to vote it seems to me.

Sonic82 12-31-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigByrd47119 (Post 663493)
Its an interesting concept and I would agree...kind of. Is not the right to free speech and liberty where we derive the right to vote from? A people missing either liberty or free speech could very possibly be forbid to vote it seems to me.

Apparently not, in this paragraph he explains how votes were not re-counted in Florida because voting is not a constitutional right....

Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote
By Jeff Milchen
August 8, 2005-

"Just months after the Alexander decision, a 5-4 Court majority in Bush v. Gore denied Florida citizens a right to ensure their votes were counted, saying "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote [for presidential electors]." Tens of thousands of Floridians who were purged wrongly from the voting rolls were denied recourse against Republican state officials who, in the name of preventing felons from voting, disenfranchised them."

end quote

This is off topic, but in the last sentence he is suggesting that the reason voting is not a constitutional right to prevent felons from voting.

Well, we have no problem preventing felons from owning firearms and that is in the constitution. ( Felons and gun rights is currently being discussed in another thread on this forum. )

alsaqr 12-31-2011 01:50 PM

Felons vote in most states. Maine and Vermont allow incarcerated felons to vote. In some states the felon must be off probation or parole to vote. Some states do not allow felons to vote.

State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

BigByrd47119 12-31-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic82 (Post 663597)
Apparently not, in this paragraph he explains how votes were not re-counted in Florida because voting is not a constitutional right....

Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote
By Jeff Milchen
August 8, 2005-

"Just months after the Alexander decision, a 5-4 Court majority in Bush v. Gore denied Florida citizens a right to ensure their votes were counted, saying "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote [for presidential electors]." Tens of thousands of Floridians who were purged wrongly from the voting rolls were denied recourse against Republican state officials who, in the name of preventing felons from voting, disenfranchised them."

end quote

This is off topic, but in the last sentence he is suggesting that the reason voting is not a constitutional right to prevent felons from voting.

Well, we have no problem preventing felons from owning firearms and that is in the constitution. ( Felons and gun rights is currently being discussed in another thread on this forum. )

That is scare for sure:mad:! I just don't see how its possible to conceive what the judges conclusion was. Thats an outright slap in the face to the republic!

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Originally Posted by alsaqr (Post 663644)
Felons vote in most states. Maine and Vermont allow incarcerated felons to vote. In some states the felon must be off probation or parole to vote. Some states do not allow felons to vote.

State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

Very interesting. I wonder if the federal government could forbid the voting of felons if there was an amendment made to the Constitution which made voting a right?

Sonic82 12-31-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alsaqr (Post 663644)
Felons vote in most states. Maine and Vermont allow incarcerated felons to vote. In some states the felon must be off probation or parole to vote. Some states do not allow felons to vote.

State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

I did not know that. Curious, what's the opinion of FirearmsTALK members? Should felons be allowed to vote?

BigByrd47119 12-31-2011 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic82 (Post 663679)
I did not know that. Curious, what's the opinion of FirearmsTALK members? Should felons be allowed to vote?

Might want to start another thread for that. Its one hell of a can of worms if past discussions are any bearing...

I will throw out my personal opinion in another thread should you decide to start one.

Sonic82 12-31-2011 03:40 PM

Most of my threads are DOA.


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