I did not intend this post to highlight 2a issues, but to say that this is "non story" while it is posted in the legal and activism section of this forum is in my opinion incorrect. How about the 4th amendment? How about driving along and suddenly finding yourself at one of these checkpoints, being asked questions about your guns/ your ammo/ your whereabouts, and threatened with a search, under the guise of anti-littering campaign??? If the gov't is that concerned about it, do the RIGHT thing and post officers in place to catch individuals in the act, I'd be fine with that, and applaud the fact that people are out there keeping our wildlife areas clean and safe. Just don't treat everyone as if they are guilty until you can search me and prove my innocence!!!! That my friend is where I find the issue of erosion of personal rights in this case. Additionally, if I lived anywhere near this area there would be no problem, as I would be out there gathering all the free brass I could find...
I have seen ranges shut down because of the trash.
Once while entering a open free shooting area,
where we shot quite often.
we were stopped and offered trash bags to help in a clean up.
we took the bags, and after shooting,
we filled the bags with other folks trash.
dropped them off at the gate and were thanked.
And were told that some Adam Henrys left rather than help.
the area was soon closed due to the trash problem.
I know that some of you will snort,
stamp your foot,
shake your head,
and say how dare "THEY" expect us to clean up after ourselves,
thats an assualt on our rights.
And to the other complaint.
A few times while in hunting areas,
have been stopped and asked,
any firearms onboard?
what game are you after?
and were reminded of where it was legal to hunt
what was legal to hunt.
First and formost this is ALEX JONES website, right? If you spend more than 2 minutes a day there you are brain damaged.
Second, I have no problem with efforts to keep these public lands open to shooters, If the shooters are leaving the areas trashed, they should be punished.
Third, they call it an education campaign, buit I distinctly heard one of the officers tell a motorists to go back and pick up some brass or get a ticket. That sounds like an enforcement effort/threat. Who si to say the guy didn't pick up all his brass and give it to someone else?
In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball
i read this and almost posted it myself but then noted that it came from Prison Planet/Alex Jones and reconsidered. As Robo pointed out, they went about it the wrong way. I have seen park rangers do this quite frequently. I think depends on the general attitude in the particular office more than anything else. If I were stopped at that checkpoint I would treat it as I do any other checkpoint, if they ask me questions that are not intrusive or leading in nature I will answer them. If they start threatening they will get nothing at all- I'll tell them to get a warrant or I'm calling my lawyer. That sort of intimidation is in no way appropriate for something like that. I am a responsible shooter, I pick up my brass (and all I can find that is not mine) as well as any garbage I can cart off (none would be mine because I do not litter). I don't need a lecture or a reminder or threats from a bunch of over-eager park rangers.
While the program targeting littering seems to me to be well intentioned (and I support it) their execution left a lot to be desired.
If this story was true, the officers would have served the community better by going to the shooting area and educating shooters who don't know how to use the resource. Intimidation only causes people to lose respect for law enforcement.
"I do not aim with my hand; I aim with my eye. He who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I do not shoot with my hand; I shoot with my mind. He who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I do not kill with my gun; I kill with my heart. He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father."