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MoreAltitude 11-13-2012 06:00 AM

Drivers Questioned On Guns At Federal Checkpoint. (AKA-> HARRASSMENT)
Another example of the slow erosion of the "RIGHTS" in this country:

Drivers Questioned On Guns At Federal Checkpoint.

Chainfire 11-13-2012 09:58 AM

Another great 2a non-story.

locutus 11-13-2012 06:03 PM

Irresponsible pricks gave the gestapo the excuse they needed.

If people conduct themselves in a responsible manner, the gestapo will not have these excuses.

I certainly have no love for the Gestapo, but the shytheads that supplied them with an excuse are just as bad.

MoreAltitude 11-13-2012 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Chainfire
Another great 2a non-story.

I did not intend this post to highlight 2a issues, but to say that this is "non story" while it is posted in the legal and activism section of this forum is in my opinion incorrect. How about the 4th amendment? How about driving along and suddenly finding yourself at one of these checkpoints, being asked questions about your guns/ your ammo/ your whereabouts, and threatened with a search, under the guise of anti-littering campaign??? If the gov't is that concerned about it, do the RIGHT thing and post officers in place to catch individuals in the act, I'd be fine with that, and applaud the fact that people are out there keeping our wildlife areas clean and safe. Just don't treat everyone as if they are guilty until you can search me and prove my innocence!!!! That my friend is where I find the issue of erosion of personal rights in this case. Additionally, if I lived anywhere near this area there would be no problem, as I would be out there gathering all the free brass I could find...

shadecorp 11-13-2012 07:41 PM

I have seen ranges shut down because of the trash.
Once while entering a open free shooting area,
where we shot quite often.
we were stopped and offered trash bags to help in a clean up.
we took the bags, and after shooting,
we filled the bags with other folks trash.
dropped them off at the gate and were thanked.
And were told that some Adam Henrys left rather than help.
And so,
the area was soon closed due to the trash problem.
I know that some of you will snort,
stamp your foot,
shake your head,
and say how dare "THEY" expect us to clean up after ourselves,
thats an assualt on our rights.


And to the other complaint.
A few times while in hunting areas,
have been stopped and asked,
any firearms onboard?
what game are you after?
and were reminded of where it was legal to hunt
what was legal to hunt.
hell no.

rjd3282 11-13-2012 09:43 PM

They wouldn't be searching my car without a warrant. Next time you see someone leaving trash tell them about it. We don't need police to tell these pigs to clean up after themselves.

robocop10mm 11-14-2012 02:41 AM

First and formost this is ALEX JONES website, right? If you spend more than 2 minutes a day there you are brain damaged.

Second, I have no problem with efforts to keep these public lands open to shooters, If the shooters are leaving the areas trashed, they should be punished.

Third, they call it an education campaign, buit I distinctly heard one of the officers tell a motorists to go back and pick up some brass or get a ticket. That sounds like an enforcement effort/threat. Who si to say the guy didn't pick up all his brass and give it to someone else?

Vikingdad 11-14-2012 03:13 AM

i read this and almost posted it myself but then noted that it came from Prison Planet/Alex Jones and reconsidered. As Robo pointed out, they went about it the wrong way. I have seen park rangers do this quite frequently. I think depends on the general attitude in the particular office more than anything else. If I were stopped at that checkpoint I would treat it as I do any other checkpoint, if they ask me questions that are not intrusive or leading in nature I will answer them. If they start threatening they will get nothing at all- I'll tell them to get a warrant or I'm calling my lawyer. That sort of intimidation is in no way appropriate for something like that. I am a responsible shooter, I pick up my brass (and all I can find that is not mine) as well as any garbage I can cart off (none would be mine because I do not litter). I don't need a lecture or a reminder or threats from a bunch of over-eager park rangers.

While the program targeting littering seems to me to be well intentioned (and I support it) their execution left a lot to be desired.

Blueguns 11-14-2012 04:48 AM

I'm not sure what to believe here. I haven't seen any reportings of the story outside of infowars, so I'm unsure what to think of this. Anyone have an account of the story from a reputable source?

Old_Crow 11-14-2012 09:37 AM

If this story was true, the officers would have served the community better by going to the shooting area and educating shooters who don't know how to use the resource. Intimidation only causes people to lose respect for law enforcement.

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