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Old 01-20-2013, 05:21 AM   #101
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This is the kind of open carry that got all open carry banned in California. There is absolutely no reason to open carry a rifle slung over your shoulder into a JC Penny store. The "because its legal" argument doesn't hold water with me. If you feel the need to open carry then why would a holstered pistol not suffice? Or why do you not have a concealed carry permit and do that (if a permit is required)? Before you start fragging me, I don't even thing that cops should be carrying their rifles into a JC Penny store unless there has been an established threat. Sidearms are fine, but the rifle is just some douchebag trying to make out like he is a mucho macho hombre, and he is anything but that. Much the opposite in fact.

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This situation is a sticky one indeed. I lean to favor your thoughts, and don't think his choice was very appropriate. Conversely, if its legal to do so, well it's legal, and he should be allowed to exercise his rights. That being said, just because its legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. Now open carry certainly has is proponents " I often open carry on trails and on horseback where open carry makes total sense", but in a mall you leave leave yourself open to a large group of people where some might have negative views on guns, or deathly scared of weapons, and you may be approached by citizens and LEOs with differing opinions on the 2nd Amendment. This can be very problematic in itself but additionally because many states that have a patchwork of laws designed to trap the unwary (disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct come to mind). To me its not worth it, staying concealed is just much easier and much safer to me personally, if you feel different be sure to really study your state/local laws thoroughly it's easy to get jammed up...
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:23 AM   #102
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You gotta be kidding right? If you are carrying a weapon in a safe manner not exibiting behavior dangerous to yourself or others in a manner in compliance with your local statutes = good

If you are aproached by a police officer and you " swing that thing off your shoulder " = bad


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This situation is a sticky one indeed. I lean to favor your thoughts, and don't think his choice was very appropriate. Conversely, if its legal to do so, well it's legal, and he should be allowed to exercise his rights. That being said, just because its legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. Now open carry certainly has is proponents " I often open carry on trails and on horseback where open carry makes total sense", but in a mall you leave leave yourself open to a large group of people where some might have negative views on guns, or deathly scared of weapons, and you may be approached by citizens and LEOs with differing opinions on the 2nd Amendment. This can be very problematic in itself but additionally because many states that have a patchwork of laws designed to trap the unwary (disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct come to mind). To me its not worth it, staying concealed is just much easier and much safer to me personally, if you feel different be sure to really study your state/local laws thoroughly it's easy to get jammed up...
My state allows open carry, my state also doesn't allow any local ordinance stricter than state law concerning guns, so the leos can have all the differing opinion they like on 2A, the law is clear open carry is legal, there is nothing they can do about it unless they want to be sued, and they have been sued over this issue and the citizen won. Though you are right we used to have differing laws throughout the state, glad we got rid of that.
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If it is legal to carry in an area no cop needs to know your intent they need to mind their own damned business, and ya I suppose if a cop drives up and you swing your gun off your shoulder you will have an issue. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would do such a thing and I believe now you are just coming up with crazy what if scenarios to try to further your arguement against legal open carry. Legal carry is legal carry you don't need to prove you have a reason or tell anyone what you are doin, you are going for a walk and carrying to protect yourself, so what, the cop should go about his business.
You carrying in the open just became his business. That is his job
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Im honestly astonished at some of you . Some of the same people I've seen argue it's not the weapon itself that is evil but rather the intent of the operator can be evil .

What? Now ARs arn't evil as long as you dont have one on you ?
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This situation is a sticky one indeed. I lean to favor your thoughts, and don't think his choice was very appropriate. Conversely, if its legal to do so, well it's legal, and he should be allowed to exercise his rights. That being said, just because its legal doesn't mean it's a good idea. Now open carry certainly has is proponents " I often open carry on trails and on horseback where open carry makes total sense", but in a mall you leave leave yourself open to a large group of people where some might have negative views on guns, or deathly scared of weapons, and you may be approached by citizens and LEOs with differing opinions on the 2nd Amendment. This can be very problematic in itself but additionally because many states that have a patchwork of laws designed to trap the unwary (disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct come to mind). To me its not worth it, staying concealed is just much easier and much safer to me personally, if you feel different be sure to really study your state/local laws thoroughly it's easy to get jammed up...
Bingo. You get it.

The fact is that this guy did not break any laws, he notified the cops ahead of time and as far as the story says the police were not called and no confrontation took place, but the guy is all over the internet now and I would bet he is being discussed in DC. I bet he regrets his choice now (it would be interesting to find that out).

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You carrying in the open just became his business. That is his job
How bout your speech in " the open " ??? Can that be "his business " too ? Some may find it offensive . Some may find it frightening.
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So then you are advocating that a person is guilty until proven innocent? A person going about whatever their LEGAL business is at the time is of no concern to any officer, it is not their business, if someone calls and complains then they have a duty to come see what the issue is, once they see what is going on they should go about there business and inform the person who called that there is nothing illegal happening. They aren't to burst from their squad guns blazing and shoot down a law abiding citizen because they are carrying LEGALLY!
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How bout your speech in " the open " ??? Can that be "his business " too ? Some may find it offensive . Some may find it frightening.
If you are in peoples face and someone is offended and they call the cops then you might just become his business. If he feels you could be offensive to someone he will haul you off.
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So then you are advocating that a person is guilty until proven innocent? A person going about whatever their LEGAL business is at the time is of no concern to any officer, it is not their business, if someone calls and complains then they have a duty to come see what the issue is, once they see what is going on they should go about there business and inform the person who called that there is nothing illegal happening. They aren't to burst from their squad guns blazing and shoot down a law abiding citizen because they are carrying LEGALLY!
Put yourself in his shoes. How many calls of "person with a gun" do you want to go to ?
If they spend all their time with this they will ban it !!!!!!!
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