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Old 03-31-2010, 05:08 PM   #11
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Many of the problems come from the statement:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
The original intent was made clear by our founders.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
There is another quote I read many years in a Play Boy. I can’t remember who said it, but it was something like this. There is always going to be 1 or 2 percent of the people who should not have a gun but we can’t infringe the rights of the whole because of theses few.
In my opinion ever gun control law in this country is unconstitutional.

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I am not a citizen, yet, still I support and work to uphold the constitution. People frequently ask me why I am a member of the NRA. "Why do you care, you're not a citizen." I usually look these @$shats straight in the eye and respond: "Well, you don't, so someone has to look out for your rights." And then I usually get a blanket "Why don't you move back to Sweden?" response to which I reply "Since you seem hell-bent on living in a socialist society that's your best bet. Want me to help you pack your bags?"
Well said Thor.........we need more people like you in our country. Feel free to invite any friends you have in Sweden that feel the same way!
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How is congress able to pass any laws governing our right to bear arms?
You may not like someone burning the american flag but it is their protected right, and that has held up in the supreme court many times!

studies have shown ( in the case of crime ) that when cities take firearms away crime goes up, and anyone with any common sense can see, the only people that will give up there guns are the honest people...... you think the thugs are giving them up?

by the way sweden kicks @$$

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How is congress able to pass any laws governing our right to bear arms?
Does the AWB mean anything to you? Congress can pass any law they want, i.e. Health Care. Until the laws are challenged in the SCOTUS, they are law.
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A question.

Would you really want the 2A to all of a sudden be interpreted literally? Let's say the SCOTUS decides to do just that and in the Chicago case says, the government is not allowed any restrictions what so ever on firearms the constitution prohibits it and states can't infringe either.

How long do you think it would take to get a new amendment brought up that allows the government to infringe on our rights when it comes to arms? Do you think that many representatives are going to stand up and support a literal interpretation of 2A? Members of this board might support it but do you think even 10% of the population would?

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Does the AWB mean anything to you? Congress can pass any law they want, i.e. Health Care. Until the laws are challenged in the SCOTUS, they are law.
Minor correction: The SCOTUS doesn't challenge anything. They merely judge a case or a decision of a lower court. An individual or individuals or states challenge laws.
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A question.

Would you really want the 2A to all of a sudden be interpreted literally?
Yes.

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Let's say the SCOTUS decides to do just that and in the Chicago case says, the government is not allowed any restrictions what so ever on firearms the constitution prohibits it and states can't infringe either.

How long do you think it would take to get a new amendment brought up that allows the government to infringe on our rights when it comes to arms?
Quite some time.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States...

There aren't enough pure-left states to pull off an amendment.

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Do you think that many representatives are going to stand up and support a literal interpretation of 2A?
No, of course not. I think that many representatives are going to moisten their finger, stand up, and hold their finger in the air to see which way the political wind is blowing. They are unprincipled assclowns who are concerned only about being re-elected, and precious few of them could get away with voting for an amendment that would nullify 2A.

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Members of this board might support it but do you think even 10% of the population would?
Firearm ownership in this country is higher now than it has been in a long time thanks to the perceived threat of new gun-control laws from this administration and congress. I think there is a majority of Americans, whether they are gun owners or not, who would support a literal interpretation of 2A.
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There aren't enough pure-left states to pull off an amendment.
After the Brady campaign and other anti-gun organizations release the ads with first graders open carrying automatic weapons they can barely lift into school and Muslim looking men open carrying firearms onto airplanes and drunk people leaving a bar unable to walk straight but able to carry their automatic rifle, they won't need to be pure-left, every state will want some restrictions.
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Minor correction: The SCOTUS doesn't challenge anything. They merely judge a case or a decision of a lower court. An individual or individuals or states challenge laws.
Thus the "challenged IN the SCOTUS". I did not say "challenged BY the SCOTUS". Once SCOTUS agrees to hear arguements regarding decisions in the lower courts, the challenge is made IN the SCOTUS. Otherwise they would not allow counsel to make present arguements in front of the SCOTUS. Semantics, I guess.
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