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dog2000tj 01-27-2013 08:27 AM

Divide and Conquer ...
 
I sincerely hope hunters do not fall for this ruse - http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130127/US.Obama.Guns/


:mad:

jharder0002 01-27-2013 01:53 PM

Lol... Hunting isn't the issue here when concerning the second amendment.

nitestalker 01-27-2013 02:14 PM

Obama will not have a problem owning a shotgun after they are banned. All holders of these high political offices and police and military will be exempted from the Swinestien gun ban. How nice.
Biden says AR rifles are useless in close home defense conditions. The Home Land Security has just ordered 7,000 AR-15 rifles as they are needed in close range defensive combat.
The ruling class is what needs to be controlled. Long ago in France a Queen said about the starving citizens? "Let them eat Cake", she sorta lost her head over that one.:eek:

JTJ 01-27-2013 02:37 PM

Any good hunting rifle can be uses as a medium range sniper. A lot of our soldiers were lost to snipers in all the wars that were fought and our snipers accounted for a lot of the enemy. If the semi auto rifles are banned, the government will then attempt to restrict hunting to shotguns and then the get rid of the shotguns. If you cave on one, you cave on all.

John_Deer 01-27-2013 03:22 PM

If giving up my guns meant that no one would ever die a violent death I would be the first to pile up my guns on the lawn of the white house. I can take game by other means and I would have no need for self defense. But the truth is more people will die. We will just create a black market. I don't have to tell anyone what happens when you have a thriving black market.

dog2000tj 01-27-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jharder0002 (Post 1112060)
Lol... Hunting isn't the issue here when concerning the second amendment.

no, hunting is not the issue. But Obama is employing this strategy because he now knows the gun industry, NRA and it's membership are way to powerful for him to take on. He is hoping to fracture off a large percentage of gun manufactures and owners ... shotgun owners ... who would take the opinion that a 7rd limit wouldn't infringe on them. Sadly, I have heard from at least half a dozen shotgun hunters since Gov Cuomo signed the NY Safe Act reiterate the very same thoughts ..."it doesn't affect me" ... :mad:

Thankfully Senator McLaughlin posted the "rejected proposals" of the NY Safe Act ... it gives us and the fence sitters a crystal clear view of the gun control crowds agenda ... it is not about safety! it is not about reducing crime! it is not about protecting children! and it has nothing to do with the Sandy Hook shooting! :cool:


it is a Socialist agenda and they have been pushing it for nealry 80yrs! :mad:

alsaqr 01-27-2013 09:19 PM

Anti-gun blissninnies like Obama always talk about hunting. They are trying to drive a wedge between hunters, recreational shooters and self defense advocates. They are having some success. On several boards folks have expressed a desire for the universal background check crap and reduced capacity magazines.

The ultra-liberal, anti-gunners never talk about guns used for self defense because they are also opposed to the use of guns for self defense. You're are supposed to depend on the police for protection. Didn't you see the lettering on the police car? "To serve and protect".

IMO: Law abiding gun owners should be making a big deal of the self defense issue: They are not doing that. Maybe i'm sensitive about self defense because of my involvement in two home invasion shooting incidents-so be it.

Jpyle 01-27-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dog2000tj (Post 1112618)
no, hunting is not the issue. But Obama is employing this strategy because he now knows the gun industry, NRA and it's membership are way to powerful for him to take on. He is hoping to fracture off a large percentage of gun manufactures and owners ... shotgun owners ... who would take the opinion that a 7rd limit wouldn't infringe on them. Sadly, I have heard from at least half a dozen shotgun hunters since Gov Cuomo signed the NY Safe Act reiterate the very same thoughts ..."it doesn't affect me" ... :mad:

Thankfully Senator McLaughlin posted the "rejected proposals" of the NY Safe Act ... it gives us and the fence sitters a crystal clear view of the gun control crowds agenda ... it is not about safety! it is not about reducing crime! it is not about protecting children! and it has nothing to do with the Sandy Hook shooting! :cool:


it is a Socialist agenda and they have been pushing it for nealry 80yrs! :mad:

The Balkanization of "We The People" is a clever trick the ruling class has used time and time again...it is pure Alinskyism. Separate gunowners from non-gunowners and hunters and suddenly the 2nd Amendment can appear to apply only to a fringe group of "gun nuts." The others don't see it as relevant to their lives and will not defend it...what is lost is the fact that the rights protected by the Constitution apply to everyone...even those that choose not to exercise them and once they are gone they are gone for everyone...even if they realize it to late.

I don't own a newspaper, am not a journalist yet I support the 1st Amendment rights of those who are. Now some will say yes but the 1st Amendment isn't universal..."you cannot yell fire in a movie theater" to which I respond "Bull****"...you can yell fire if the theater is, in fact, on fire. There is no law requiring that one have their vocal cords removed before entering a movie theater to prevent them from yelling...anyone that breaks a law is prosecuted, the others are simply left to live their lives.

Same goes for the 4th and 5th Amendments, I am not a criminal, have never been a criminal and do not plan on becoming one, yet I believe in the rights of due process and protection against self-incrimination of those that are.

Personally I believe that the attack on the 2nd Amendment we see today is no different than the denial of rights to minorities and our battle is no different than the civil rights movement of the 60s...and yes, "We Shall Overcome!"

Jpyle 01-27-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alsaqr (Post 1112638)
Anti-gun blissninnies like Obama always talk about hunting. They are trying to drive a wedge between hunters, recreational shooters and self defense advocates. They are having some success. On several boards folks have expressed a desire for the universal background check crap and reduced capacity magazines.

The ultra-liberal, anti-gunners never talk about guns used for self defense because they are also opposed to the use of guns for self defense. You're are supposed to depend on the police for protection. Didn't you see the lettering on the police car? "To serve and protect".

IMO: Law abiding gun owners should be making a big deal of the self defense issue: They are not doing that. Maybe i'm sensitive about self defense because of my involvement in two home invasion shooting incidents-so be it.

The SCOTUS has already ruled that police are under no obligation to protect any individual...there role is to protect the public peace, no more. This decision was based, in part, on the 2nd Amendment right to self defense.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-protect-you-yes-really/

SmallCaliberGuy 01-27-2013 10:08 PM

How does one eat an elephant.......one bite at a time.

If they get past this step, what's to stop them from "eating away" at the rest of the constitution?


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