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Old 06-20-2010, 05:34 AM   #11
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Don't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and
(IMO) using OC to show how much of a "man" one is, really shows immaturity and is a good reason for one not to own a firearm.

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Maybe your reason to carry is to make a statement or scare people. That is not what was intended when the second ammendment was added to the Bill of Rights. It was added so that we could have protection and a way to hunt to provide for ourselves. People did not die in the wars to provide us with a right to show off our hardware. I think open carry is an irresponcible way of making a statement. I'm all for carrying but in a discreat manner.

You are severley misinformed if that's what you believe. The second amendment says nothing about protection or hunting. It is not about duck hunting or shooting burglars. It certainly isn't my intention to scare people but I don't have any control about how others think or feel. It concerns me how people dress, tattoo and pierce themselves, but I don't think it should be illegal or wrong just because I think it is weird.

Furthermore, it disturbs me that there are gun owners out there that only believe in the part of the second amendment that says "to keep" and not the part that says "to bear." Goodness gracious...
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(IMO) using OC to show how much of a "man" one is, really shows immaturity and is a good reason for one not to own a firearm.
Spoken like a true anti...
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I guess that's the main difference between Florida, Oregon, and Alaska. We actually believe in freedom and constitutional carry... Perhaps you will get there someday, but it won't happen with attitudes like that... We need to speak with one voice..

Perhaps you all should spend some time here and learn the facts...
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I believe in carry, but not as a way for someone to prove that they are "macho".

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I was having a discussion about open carry with my cousin and he said he didnt feel it was right. No facts or evidence of it being wrong, he just didnt "feel it was right". In discussing the topic, he kept discussing from a standpoint of feeling and emotion, while I discussed from facts, such as the fact that it is legal.
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This is exactly what is wrong with the liberals who (unfortunately) make up a large percentage of the population of this (once) great country. Liberals argue from emotions, not facts. Liberals promote programs based on conceptual ideals, not on logical and practical thought processes. They continue to advocate issues based on how things could be instead of how things really are. Then later, they are truely flabbergasted when their socialist programs fail and only add to the dysfunction and create more negative social issues.

Somehow our country has gotten so soft, and our educational system has become so touchy-feely that these conceptual only thinking people have been allowed to survive and flourish instead of falling prey to economic Darwinism. In a true competetive society, where only results count, these libertards would have died out or been thrown out of the group.
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I believe in carry, but not as a way for someone to prove that they are "macho".
Not that I need to prove myself to you but I laughed when I read your post. To carry the way I do for the purposes of being "macho" is a line straight from the Brady Campaign. Literally..

Perhaps you are biased considering you may have never seen the act in person considering it is illegal in your state. It probably seems foreign to you.

In my state, it is not uncommon, the masses are desensitized, and it is a practical form of carry. Not to mention comfortable... Wouldn't you like to combat the heat of Florida by carrying in a OWB holster with no concern of printing or feeling the need to hide your weapon as though you are afraid to exercise your rights?

I also support concealed carry as well and I practice both methods. That is to say, I support all methods of carry. I don't walk around open carrying all day, all of the time. It depends on the day and the situation. But to be opposed to open carry outright is to be opposed to the true and original meaning of the 2nd amendment.
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I have open carried in multiple states and all of what you mentioned is absurd. If you are not willing to "flex your constitutional muscle," then perhaps you should re-evaluate your reason for carrying in the first place.
Sounds like far too much testosterone, to me.

The majority of people living in metropolitan areas understand that, while legal in many states, open carry is very close to "tugging on Superman's cape" or "spitting into the wind". Why would anyone with more than half a brain go out to purposely antagonize others?

People that live in large metropolitan areas (well, at least many of them) have come to realize that "shall issue" avails them of a way to legally carry in a mode that DOES NOT make them stand out, that DOES NOT antagonize others, that DOES NOT provoke unnecessary attention of Law Enforcement. Any that have jobs in large corporations understand that unnecessary attention of Law Enforcement often means "looking for a new job", so avoid it when ever possible.
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Flintlock,

I respect your opinion and understand your belief in open carry and right to do so. I do however disagree with your blanket belief that if someone disagrees with your opinion that they are contributing or have the same belief as the anti-gun Brady group. I have lived in Alaska and I can understand how open carry can be acceptable to the majority of the population as Alaska is still considered the last great frontier. But, and this is a big but, the lower 48 is a complete different animal even though we would like to consider it the same. In my opinion you can’t compare the environment in Alaska with the environment in most of the lower 48 states. An example is how would people in downtown Las Angles react to a moose walking down the street and how people in Alaska would react you just can’t compare them as they are conditioned by their environment. In my opinion open carry is very similar as you can paint it with a broad brush and say accept it because I have the right and I’m going to do it and even if it bothers a lot of people well that’s their problem. I think education and a non-in your face approach is what is needed to correct the misconceptions that have pervaded our society on guns, but that is my opinion only. All I’m saying is yes I believe in the right of open carry but I also believe in being responsible and respectful of other people’s beliefs and concerns. Again this is my opinion.

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Open carry has caused the City Manager of Longmont Colorado to ask the City Attorney to draft an ordnance banning open carry in City Buildings and Library's.

This is due to a loud mouth activist that comes to City Council meetings with his pistol on his hip.

This same guy routinely comes into City Offices and the "Female Employees" are intimidated by seeing the pistol. They would not be IF he acted adult and didn't raise his voice about every issue dear to him.

The City Manager has NO PROBLEM with CCW in the same facilities as they are not visible and people have a right to defend themselves. CCW holders would still be able to have their concealed firearms under the proposed law.

Open Carry advocates: learn from this !

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